There's never been a hotel there BEFORE....

Sunday, August 11, 2013 5:58 PM
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I don't consider anything over $100 reasonable, and it has to be less than $60 for me to say that it is "extremely" reasonable. It's interesting how different people's opinions are about the prices of anything, yet alone hotel rooms.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:18 PM
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$100 used to be a lot to me, but then I stayed at a Motel 6 near Atlanta, my room at which I could swear had been on CSI. After that, my whole opinion changed, lol.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:52 PM
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Ha! I had a terrible experience in ATL too which lead me to the downtown Hilton. I tend to Hotwire rooms so its weird when I can't get a nice hotel for under a hundred bucks.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:04 PM

Then you got your Hotel Breakers, no great shakes (relatively), who wanted something like 525 bucks for 2 beds 2 nights this week. And that was main hotel or tower with platinum pass discount. Oh, we'll be there alright, but in an even crappier room in the crappy Bon Air section. Which in French stands for crap.

Not to open up a can of worms here, or anything....

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 PM
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I've always wanted to see the inside of a Bon Air room. The entire section looks like a dingy NYC apartment building from the hallways. I live close enough that I've never been able to justify a stay at HB, but I will stay at express, or a cabin at Bayshore. I really do want to stay at Breakers some day, but I just don't see the value when they want over $300 a night for crap.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:58 PM
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I used to think $100 hotel room was expensive, then I studied the costs that go into running a hotel.

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Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:06 PM
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a_hoffman50 said:

I used to think $100 hotel room was expensive, then I studied the costs that go into running a hotel.

This.

I think my problem is I'm too close to the whole hotel thing.

To me $100 is a cheap roon. That's where you start and go up from there.

I have no idea how hotels much below that are turning any kind of profit. When you get down even further in rate...I shudder to think what corners are being cut.

Raven-Phile said:

I've always wanted to see the inside of a Bon Air room. The entire section looks like a dingy NYC apartment building from the hallways.

It's even worse than you're imagining. Really, seriously horrible. The last time I stayed in one was probably 10 years ago. Who knows what lurks in there now?


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:14 PM
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Ok, so now you've got me imagining the crappy apartment from Coming to America with the chalk line of the dead body on e floor. :)


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:24 PM
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I'd love to stay at Breakers for the location, but seriously, even looking at it from the outside (and brief experiences walking through it) and comparing it to a comparably-priced Disney hotel room, I don't know how they can justify the price. I hope Ouimet brings some of his Disney background (even if he wasn't a hotel guy) and spruces up the place.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:25 PM

Im another Hilton chain devotee (if you travel you should really look into staying with one chain to get status in their perks programs, as a gold with Hilton I get free breakfast and wifi at any hotel in the chain.) $100 is a cheap room for me, I start balking when the price goes above $140 unless its a full service hotel in a resort area. You pay for the quality.

That said, on the trip I just took, I got a Hampton Inn room in Toledo for $96 as opposed to the Sandusky Hamptons that were charging $171 and $147 respectively. I saved money even though I drove back and forth to Sandusky 2 times. If you book early enough, this is not a problem, but my Beastbuzz trip was last minute.


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:58 PM
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Touchdown said:

$100 is a cheap room for me, I start balking when the price goes above $140 unless its a full service hotel in a resort area. You pay for the quality.

Yes...and more importantly, I find them to be a better value.

All other things being equal, I'd say you get more than double the experience from a $100 or $140 room than you do from their $50 and $70 counterparts. The price is higher, but the value is better.

That said, on the trip I just took, I got a Hampton Inn room in Toledo for $96 as opposed to the Sandusky Hamptons that were charging $171 and $147 respectively.

That's crazy Cedar Point tourist area pricing right there.

The Hamption Inn in Sandusky (the Sandusky-Central property I believe) is our go-to place in Sandusky. It's adequate. Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be very happy with it, but once you get into touristy places - all bets are off.

Quite frankly, hotels in those areas can offer less and charge more because if you're visiting, you have to stay somewhere. (Kinzel logic holds true)

It's exactly why on-property at the Point is so insanely priced.

Raven-Phile said:

Ok, so now you've got me imagining the crappy apartment from Coming to America with the chalk line of the dead body on e floor. :)

Seriously though. Think of how jacked up the on-property Breakers rooms are priced. Consider that the Bon Air rooms run $150 in season.

And that's the insanely jacked up price!


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Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:08 PM

^Sounds like we have the same philosophy on hotels (although, the Hampton Sandusky/Milan which is right by the pike is the one I usually stay at as it is almost always $20-30 cheaper then the central location.) Im one of those people who need breakfast in the morning to get going. Getting a serviceable breakfast included in my hotel price is something I really seek out, because it takes a lot of time to drive to a restaurant, eat, and then drive to your destination. It is much more convenient to have breakfast in the lobby.

When you start paying triple digits for a hotel room you also notice that you get crisp sheets, fluffy towels, and rooms that do not reak of mildew and/or sanitation spray; oh and no roaches, or silverfish. I have also not run into any bedbug infested rooms yet either (although I know that even the 5 star hotels get them occasionally.)


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Monday, August 12, 2013 2:06 AM
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600 rooms? Since when is Jackson New Jersey the new Times Square? I can tell by simply LOOKING at that rendering, with all those highrises, that there is no way in hell it'll ever exist. Unless they're getting an NFL stadium or an indian casino, that miniature planned city will never exist.

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Monday, August 12, 2013 8:47 AM
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Lord Gonchar said:

Seriously though. Think of how jacked up the on-property Breakers rooms are priced. Consider that the Bon Air rooms run $150 in season.

And that's the insanely jacked up price!

Eeek. Now, I'm going to have to stay there during Halloweekends or something, when it's insanely "cheap", so I can get the experience.

I don't think I'm gonna enjoy it.

Hell, if I had serious issues with our resort in Vegas, I know Bon Air will be awful.


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Monday, August 12, 2013 10:30 AM

Which resort, Josh?

a_hoffman50 said:

I used to think $100 hotel room was expensive, then I studied the costs that go into running a hotel.

Agreed. Its been quite a while but I did a financial analysis on building a hotel on one of my company's properties some time back. The area isn't suited for one to begin with (seasonal attraction, nothing else around it, hoping other people would build if we built first, etc), but I didn't get too far into it before emailing the owners with a simple one-word conclusion..."Nope".

As far as my own tastes, location is the biggest factor to me and I'm willing to pay up for it. Actual quality of the room/amenities doesn't become a factor until I'm staying a few nights so my typical cost per night actually goes up the longer the stay.


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Monday, August 12, 2013 11:00 AM
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We were at Planet Hollywood - thought it was going to be really nice, but we were Catfished.


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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:34 PM
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In my experience staying at hotels, near various parks, it is insane on what they get away with charging people for a 1 day stay. I have stayed at various hotels around Cedar Point, and you pay anywhere from $50.00 to $225.00 for the same room depending on what day of the week it is, and what month. And, they also pick and choose when to charge more as well. And, have a habit saying that they are sold out, yet always seem to have that more expensive room available. Which is the same room you would normally get, they just charge more for it. I paid $125.00 a night for a really crappy room with shag carpet. Though, if you take a short drive down to Norwalk, the prices on rooms drops greatly.

When we went to SF Great America, we stayed at a hotel near Gurnee, at Hawthorne Suites, for $125.00 a night. We had a 2 room suite, with a living room, kitchen, and master bedroom. Our suite had its own patio, with sliding doors leading out to a garden type area, that was just a short walk from the indoor pool. We also had 2 TV's which was great, because I could watch my shows, and my brother could channel surf until he was mind num.

Though, on one trip to Great America, we found a hotel online for $57.00 a night. It was right by the airport, and there was a strip joint next door, with windows on the rooms so small and high from the floor, you would need a ladder to see out. With a big sign on the back of the door, that said. keep your door locked, and don't open it for anyone!! Yikes!! Really crappy place.


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Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:00 PM
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Um, welcome to Pricing Strategy 101. Prices go up during peak season because of demand. Location makes a difference. You always have rooms for your elite members in your loyalty program, and so on and so forth.


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Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:01 AM
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But it's not FAIR!

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Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:06 PM

ApolloAndy said:

Wasn't it bill who was the "if it needed a hotel, it would already be there."

What I believe I said was that if this was the slam dunk that everyone here claimed, it wouldn't still be on the drawing board... someone like Trump would have developed the hell out of Jackson NJ.

Have any of you actually read the article? These renderings are just that, attempts to drum up financing. The problem with Jackson is that it is centrally located, but not close enough to Philly NYC or the Shore to be convenient.

If Six Flags were in Mays Landing, Mount Laurel or somewhere just outside NYC, you'd see more interest in building a hotel, because you would be close to something besides a seasonal attraction (casinos,nightlife,etc) but since it is located in the woods, between 2 military bases, with little else around, I doubt this ever gets off the ground.

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