The physics of snapping the flyers

Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:16 AM

Ensign Smith said:
If you really want to snap, get away from the big parks. I was at Seabreeze last summer, and I was snapping like crazy on their flyers. Nobody batted an eye.

You're not serious, are you?

Seabreeze has the slowest flyers I've ever seen. I can walk faster than they move. I don't know how anybody could snap those, I wasn't able to get mine very high.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:07 AM
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SixFlagsKingdaKa said:No, i'm not trolling for a reaction, i'm pointing out how nobody has bothered to establish exactly what is or isn't allowed. Did anyone ask Knoebels if whipping the sails means no snapping? Did anyone ask if bouncing the birds means no snapping? Nope, I can almost guarantee that you waltzed onto the ride and did whatever you wanted. and simply defied the ride op to stop you.

ROFL! Yes, you are trolling. Your last sentence *guarantees* that I'm right about that... ;)

It's up to the parks to POST or verbally TELL patrons about rules like this....it's not up to guests to ask. PARKS establish the rules, guests don't....and no one is expected to INQUIRE about rules before boarding a ride....not even an enthusiast...LOL!

"Bouncing the birds", that means snapping.
"Whipping the sails", that means slamming the rudders...which no experienced pilot does, since it impairs snaps more than helping.

*** Edited 1/16/2007 4:10:02 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:29 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar What is meant by keeping your arms inside the car at all times? What about my head? It's sticking out. Is that ok?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:54 AM
rollergator's avatar ^ "What about my head? It's sticking out."

Two words, Matt: Turtle Whacks! ;)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:02 PM

SixFlagsKingdaKa said:


but it has nothing to do with snapping? Snapping "IS" allowed but moving the sail isn't!


Are you are a lawyer or something?

What is your deffinitio of "IS"?

So you are arguing that Snapping is allowed if you can do it without moving the sail?

Face it.... if a ride op, supervisor or security at Hershey would see some honest to God Knoebels style snapping on HP's Flyers, they would probably not only close down the ride, but would possibly evacuate the park and call in the state safety inspectors.

They seem to freak out when you do anything to make your tub deviate even the slightest from the perfectly circular path that the Flyers take when beign run empty. An honest to goodness "Snap" would probably result in felony charges for "attempting to damage park property." *** Edited 1/16/2007 6:04:30 PM UTC by SLFAKE***


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:14 PM
I think PKI central still has a final day video of all of us snapping the flyers. Snapping has nothing to do with how fast you move your sail, It's got everything to do with tragetory and speed diviation.

Bouncing your tubs, Ive often seen people bounce in them. Side to side, front and back.

Whipping your sails. slamming the wing back and forth off the wing limit stops (This destroys the steel over time)

Snapping, Creating slack in the cable by diving faster than the ride is turning. When the motion of the ride pulls the slack snug youe get a snap of the cables.

IF IT's NOT ALLOWED or the rides not *MADE FOR IT* Then why do EMPTY TUBS SNAP if the wing is left in certain possitions?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:15 PM
What's the point of Scooters that don't snap? I've snapped Conneauts tons of times and no one has ever said anything to me but: Wow!

It's like bumper cars with a 'no bumping' rule. Dumb.


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:20 PM

Charles Nungester said:


IF IT's NOT ALLOWED or the rides not *MADE FOR IT* Then why do EMPTY TUBS SNAP if the wing is left in certain possitions?


If "the ride's not made for it" (which is not true... but let's just say so for the sake of argument), then they should be made that you can't snap them no matter how hard you try.

As for Empty tubs snapping... IF this would ever happen at Hershey, I am sure that the offending tub would be blocked as OFF LIMITS or OUT OF SERVICE until the proper local, state and Federal authorities could conduct a full investigation into why this offending tub did something that it should have known it should NEVER NEVER EVER do! After all, any time a tub deviates from its perfect circular course, for what ever reason, the Hershey Ops look at it suspiciously. If it deviates by more than 3.178 inches form its perfect circular course, it is cause for EXTREME ALARM AND PANIC!


Flyingscooter said:

It's like bumper cars with a 'no bumping' rule.


I believe that is one of the bills that Ed Markey is going to introduce to the house this term. Either a NO Bumping law or a Bumper Car Helmet and Air Bag law.

*** Edited 1/16/2007 7:22:32 PM UTC by SLFAKE*** *** Edited 1/16/2007 7:23:47 PM UTC by SLFAKE***


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:30 PM

SLFAKE said: If "the ride's not made for it" (which is not true... but let's just say so for the sake of argument), then they should be made that you can't snap them no matter how hard you try.

maybe they should make cars that don't drive off the road into a big tree at 100mph too!

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:33 PM

Charles Nungester said:


Bouncing your tubs, Ive often seen people bounce in them. Side to side, front and back.

Whipping your sails. slamming the wing back and forth off the wing limit stops (This destroys the steel over time)

Snapping, Creating slack in the cable by diving faster than the ride is turning. When the motion of the ride pulls the slack snug youe get a snap of the cables.


are these official park definitions or just something you pulled outta your ___?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:59 PM
SixFlagsKingdaKa...

Were you involved in some bizarre snapping accident as a child? Or perhaps banned from a set of flyer's somewhere? Or perhaps just a bit bitter because you can't figure out how to snap them?

(And I can't and won't comment on anyone pulling "official Park deffinitions" out of their ___, but I wish you'd do something about that bug that seems to have crawled up yours.)

*** Edited 1/16/2007 8:00:13 PM UTC by SLFAKE***


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:59 PM
No, its definitions of different actions.

IF any of these are not allowed, IT SHOULD BE CLEARLY STATED.

As for the personal attack, I'll just leave it as making a __ out of yourself.

Whats your beef with me anyway? I don't go to parks to break rules. I go to have fun. If they allow snapping then for craps sake, Im doing it, why? BECAUSE IT's FUN! Something you are to anal to have.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:20 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar I definitely didn't get anything on Seabreeze's, but I've been known to put a good bounce on KG's every now and then. ;)

I guess nobody else is actually interested in the physics though....


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:32 PM
64 total posts, 9 on this thread (so far).

If anyone is so concerned about official park definitions, I'd suggest he contact the parks, since they're the ones doing the defining. Or you could always go to www.officialparkdefinitions.com :)

Ka, I told you what the sign says at Knoebels. No whipping the sails. If you have a problem understanding that, I suggest you go to Knoebels, walk over to the flyers and ask the operator to explain it to you. Then wait until the next operator comes on duty, then the next, and see what they tell you. Of course, if you don't like the answers, you'll just claim it's something they pulled out of their a**.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:06 PM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar I'm very much interested in the physics, Andy, especially if I'm ever to design my own set. ;)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:16 PM
coasterqueenTRN's avatar ^LMAO, Bear. ;) Gotta love the off-season, right? ;)

Matt, I would be MORE than happy to be a test dummy for your flyers! :)

For anyone coming to the ACE Con this year, I would HIGHLYrecommend stopping by Camden Park since it's in close vicinity to King's Island, HW, etc. They just got their flyers last year.

I got plenty of modest snaps on them, even though the ride ops or the public didn't know what was going on. After I explained "snappage" to the ride ops they thought it was a riot!

Hopefully there won't be a "No Snappage!" sign this year thanks to me. ;)

If anyone is coming out for the ACE Con this year I would HIGHLY recommend visiting Camden Park since it is close to King's Island, Holiday World, etc. PLEASE visit! For those of you who have visited before but not recently you will be surprised at how awesome the park is looking. ;)

Then again maybe I should warn them. They thought snapping was "awesome" when I did it but are they capable of handling 10 or so tubs snapping at the same time?

Hopefully there will not be a "No Snappage" sign this year thanks to me. ;)

-Tina

*** Edited 1/17/2007 1:17:53 AM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:12 PM
Na Tina, We will just get whippage and inline bumper carnage at Camden!

They should let the floom grow over again tho. The only floom I thought I was actually in some amazon tributary on :)

Chuck

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:30 PM
rollergator's avatar I think Camden got a new deja vu with their flyers... :)

;)

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Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:09 AM
Do any parks near KS have flyers?
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Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:13 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar Celebration City in Branson, MO does. There are two sets in Colorado also--Lakeside in Denver and Santa's Workshop in Colorado Springs. The set at Santa's Workshop is fantastic.

AV Matt
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