Tea Parties, Glenn Beck protest Muslim Family Day at Six Flags Great America

^^ Except that Glen Beck is arguing that the ICNA shouldn't be allowed to do something they have every right to do (go to Six Flags). I don't think anyone is attempting to deny Glen Beck any of his rights.

Get over yourself, Methink. You did a shallow internet search that brought back a thin Wikipedia summary of the ICNA and you believe you did some major research and have educated us in a meaningful way?

Even so, in that very small summary you provided, it suggested the ICNA corrected their slight of women the very next year by allowing a woman to speak at their annual convention. Do you not give room in any capacity for growth and evolution?

Interesting, they claim on their web site to believe that all people are created equal.

Was the bold and italics really necessary? Does it make your point more valid?

Edit: Apparently, I was so convincing, he deleted his post.

He has a problem with that.

...or she...

Tek:

I finally listened to Beck's audio file in the article link. I had been spending my efforts on the ICNA research...granting that the hatred spewed toward Beck was justified. Now I am not so sure this is not an overreaction to posts on this thread rather than anything specific Beck said or did. You can check the audio out here. I also read the linked transcript here.

Unless there is something (link?) in that article I am missing, your quote above is not factual. Beck never calls for ANY protest in the 2 links I found. The worst he said was that he thought the timing (9/12) of the event was "in poor taste."

As of now, I am further convinced that this is much to do about nothing but one man's mild (?) opinion versus one group's sexist policies.

Kick The Sky said:
The reason the tea-partiers get the bad press is in an effort to discredit their opinions.

Are you suggesting there's a media conspiracy to paint them as morons? Honestly, they're doing a pretty good job of that on their own. You get these cats in front of a camera, and they can't define socialism, and they'll defend any kind of government spending that aligns with their own beliefs. In other words, they're no different than anyone on either side of the aisle.

@Methink: I love when you delete your own posts after you get called out. That says a lot about you. And for the record, there has been no change in tone. Making racist generalizations and subscribing to religious beliefs that aren't hurting anyone aren't in the same ballpark for comparison.

Can somebody point out the racist generalizations Beck made? I've searched the article...I'm not finding it.

Moment to note that Wiki articles were perfectly acceptable for Jeff on this very thread when the subject got off on the Canadian Health Care tangent. Seems there are a lot of double standards going around.

I'll ask this a different way since the sharks are clearly circling. Do you agree with the ICNA policy to separate men and women into different rooms when discussing their policies/objectives? I'm not asking if you agree with their right to do so. I'm asking if you agree that this is reasonable behavior?

Why so difficult to denounce their behaviors? You would have no difficulty denouncing a KKK meeting that excluded minorities would you? They're a private group too. Would this same group remain silent if Six Flags co-sponsored a KKK day...and defended such as nothing more than business with a private entity?

Look deep into your belief systems and see if you have it in you to break out of that shell...

your quote above is not factual. Beck never calls for ANY protest in the 2 links I found.

I didn't say he was out there protesting. However, by his words, he's obviously protesting on his show. He doesn't want them to have a Muslim day on 9/12. That is a fact.

Do you agree with the ICNA policy to separate men and women into different rooms when discussing their policies/objectives? I'm not asking if you agree with their right to do so. I'm asking if you agree that this is reasonable behavior?

What I believe ISN'T RELEVANT! I don't care what they do. I'm not a Muslim, and therefore, I obviously don't have the same beliefs that they do, nor do I agree with their beliefs.

The arguement here is and has always been that they have the right to conduct their religion the way they see fit, and that people like Beck shouldn't try to take that away.

Why so difficult to denounce their behaviors? You would have no difficulty denouncing a KKK meeting that excluded minorities would you? They're a private group too. Would this same group remain silent if Six Flags co-sponsored a KKK day...and defended such as nothing more than business with a private entity?

Yeah, I already addressed that, and much like a Klan march, regardless of what I believe, they have the right to march or go to a park. Jeesh.

We don't have enough information (and you don't either) to make such a denouncement. Why do they separate men and women? Do you know?

Your taunting isn't going to change minds around here. Go find some compelling information and share it. Like this.

Fair Tek:

You are the first I've seen to admit you don't agree with their beliefs. On that we agree. Now I ask you again to read the transcript and/or listen to the audio and tell me where Beck has called for a boycott? He merley opined that he felt the date of 9/12 was rather insensitive. He said nothing about other dates or their right to have a Muslim Day. I'm not certain on this...but I don't think he ever told anybody not to go.

Now, even if you disagree with Beck's opinion that 9/12 is an insensitive date to hold such event...can you or anybody justify what this thread turned into? Racist/KKK/hatred/etc! This would appear to be a group of folks with similar worldviews who read comments about what they thought Beck said...and irrationally fed off of each others opinions.

I know that many (most?) on the left cannot stand Glen Beck...and there may be valid reasons to have such an opinion...but the links in this article do not demonstrate any Beck stimulus that would/should set off such an overreaction.

And I concede to you and agree with you that any and all private entities have the right to do as they please as long as they do not harm others. I've never suggested otherwise.

But I believe that if this were a KKK or Women-Haters of America/Six Flags co-sponsored event...those who presently are contented to allow the Muslim group a free pass with respect to their polices/actions/events would be screaming at the top of their lungs about the racist/sexist nature of the affiliated partners. And I would suggest that the latter would be justified as it should be justified for the prior. Their right(s) to freedom of expression/speech/movement are no greater protected than our right to voice an opinion about their actions.

Carrie:

God bless you! We can all choose to believe which sources are superior. I'm going to refer to my initial quote/post on this matter. Seems many have conveniently ignored this like the Beck transcript.

Wiki was good enough for Jeff and the Canadian Health Care System...it is good enough for me to at least question the ICNA and their past/current (?) policies and procedures.

I certainly will take Wiki as a more independent source of ICNA's controversial American practices than their own website. Later I can link to Methink.com which tells you what a great person I am and how I'm Mother Theresa (joke/sarcasm noted). Would you then post that on here and declare me appropriately vetted?

If ICNA are not sexist pigs...I'll apologize. But since we are arguing source strength/validity here...I'll merely opine that the sourced Wiki link I provided certainly illicits more doubt about ICNA practices than the actual link in this article that the majority have used to denounce Glen Beck!

We see what we want to see...I guess!

Aww, thanks. God bless you, too!

The issue isn't sources. It's content. Your source didn't provide much. It spoke to separate sessions, but didn't explain what the sessions were or why they were conducted that way. It explained that a woman was prevented to speak at one of their conventions, but that the next year a woman was allowed to present. Why do you think they changed their policy?

I guess we indeed do only see what we want to see.

To steal a line from Gonch....

I just want to ride rolly coasters!!!! Lets all be happy!

Did I really say that?

I'm awesome. :)

I am happy Jerry! I love debates...

Carrie:

If we give benefit of the doubt and assume ICNA has "seen the error of their ways" and now is not a sexist organization as they were in 2002...I say great! I apologize and move on. Though I opine that we would not so easily forgive other organizations if they did the same.

My bigger point is as follows:

Glen Beck:

• No evidence needed. He is a racist, bigot, etc. It is assumed and accepted even though the transcripts show noting of the sort. There were calls for education for "idiot" tea party members, etc. We must all vigilantly examine his damage to the country.
  

ICNA:

• Now all of a sudden everybody is concerned about evidence thresholds. The evidence appears to indicate at LEAST past sexist behaviors...yet most are not concerned with getting to the bottom of this. Gone are the many posts talking about the dangers to America. Crickets chirp and those who shouted the loudest about Beck hide behind free speech as enough justification do discard vetting.
  

We all have biases. It is difficult to suppress such bias and look at things objectively. Glen Beck was and is completely trashed for saying and doing almost nothing. ICNA got kid glove treatment and nary an unkind word.

I find this double standard much more frightening than any words Glen Beck could ever say.

Lord Gonchar said: I'm awesome.

You're still hot, too. Well, at least Carrie and I think so :)

Methink said:

ICNA:

• Now all of a sudden everybody is concerned about evidence thresholds.
  

Not everybody, just me. And that's how I roll.

But if you look back through the thread you will not find a single word that I've uttered about Glen Beck, the Tea Partiers, Republicans, or any racists, bigots, etc. There's been no double standard to speak about as far as the conversation you and I are having. But again, that's why you have to be careful about making generalized statements.

Mamoosh said:

You're still hot, too.

And by "you're hot" he means that he wants to ride a roller coaster with me. I think that's how that goes, right? ;)

Duh!