Tea Parties, Glenn Beck protest Muslim Family Day at Six Flags Great America

Says the guy writing hundreds of words parsing out Beck's statements and ignoring their context all in order to show that Beck really ain't that bad a guy.

Might have a point if you link the parsing. The Beck transcript and audio is there far all to see/listen. Let me know where I've mislead, and we can have a debate.

NO ONE SAID THAT THE WORD YAK WAS RACIST! No one! No one implied that that word was racist! What has been said that the overall statement he made was meant to have a negative connotation!

Talk about talking in circles. You're not even arguing what everyone else is, and I don't even think you understand what anyone else is arguing.

Jeff posted the link simply because it deals with Six Flags. There was once a link posted here about a KKK rally at Dollywood. Same reason for posting.

You accuse him of posing it to push an agenda, yet you signed up on this site with the intention of pushing yours in this thread, which happens to be the only thread you're posting in.

I'm done. I can't argue with stupid.

Methink said:

rollergator said:

No matter what language Beck uses, you can tell he's suffering from Grinch disease - a heart two sizes too small.

So you can see no situation where holding the event on Sept. 12th could be a bit insensitive?

Sept 10 is the end of Ramadan when Muslims celebrate the end of fasting and thank Allah for His help with their month-long act of self-control.

Do you understand why Glenn Beck is playing you all for fools? Muslims are celebrating an important part of their faith, and you are calling them insensitive because Glenn Beck is crying(or what he does on TV). Glenn Beck is telling Muslims they cannot celebrate their religion!

.It just happens Eid-Ul-Fitr falls on the same time as an event that occurred a decade ago.

Just to add fuel to the fire (food for thought.)

Did the attacks on 9/11 just "coincidentally" occur on the day after the end of Ramadan? Maybe another way to thank Allah for his help with their month-long act of self control?

Not sure what date Ramadan ended in 2001

obxKevin said:
Just to add fuel to the fire (food for thought.)

Did the attacks on 9/11 just "coincidentally" occur on the day after the end of Ramadan? Maybe another way to thank Allah for his help with their month-long act of self control?

Not sure what date Ramadan ended in 2001

Ramadan begins about 10 days earlier each year.

So 9 years ago it would have begun about two months after it is ending this year.

Did I word that confusingly enough? :)

EDIT - I wouldn't have quoted your post, but there was another "post-and-delete" between our posts.

The dates can vary:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_rama1.htm

Interesting, in 2007, fasting started 2 days after 9/11...

Carrie:

Look deep into your heart and try and understand why my link about the ICNA has you trying to "understand them." While what Jeff (and others) wrote about Glen Beck did not illicit the same "understanding" response inside you. If you took Jeff and the others to task...I apologize. I might have missed it.

But you are making my point. Glen Beck is automatically accused a racist because he said "Yak" and felt Sept 12th was an insensitive date. Where is your motherly instinct to protect Glen Beck from wrongful/hurtful accusations?

This is not meant to be combative. It is just a good demonstration how we all perceive information based upon our own biases and worldviews. We want to understand those we see as the "good guy." We've no interest in understanding those we perceive as the "bad guy." I'm as guilty as you.

This thread was meant as a Glen Beck bash. Most were comfortable with that until I introduced the character of the ICNA. Now those who perceive Glen Beck and his ilk the root of all evils...are circling the wagons. It is so easy to pile on Beck...yet look at how hard it is to do it to those you perceive as the good guy...the Muslims. Only Tek has had the strength to denounce their behaviors.

I'm certain that based upon the original KKK/racist post by Jeff that most were willing to accept such labels without taking time to "try and understand" Beck...maybe by actually listening to the audio? Now some 11 pages into it...we are using the word "Yak" to try and label Beck a racist. Had the original response discarded the trigger words (KKK/racist) and instead factually reported that Glen Beck thinks Sept 12th is an insensitive date and he said "Yakity Yak". Does this sound nearly as abominable?

And I guess you can accuse me of not trying to "understand" the ICNA as derogatory. But I did provide a link every bit as valid as Jeff's Candian Health Care...and nobody took him to task?? I think most reasonable minds could assume that the information contained in my link is much more damaging to the ICNA than Jeff's links to Glen Beck's words.

The way I was raised...disallowing women to speak was not acceptable. In fact, disrespecting women in any way would have ended with my dad's hand on my butt. I label such as sexist. And those that practice such tactics become "the bad guy" from my worldview. And while I applaud your kind-heartedness and want to "understand" the ICNA...I'm not that way. Somebody hits, separates, diminishes a woman in any way, and they lose the benefit of the doubt for me. Much as Glen Beck has lost the benefit of the doubt for a lot of you.

So you and I are different in that way. You seem a lot more tolerant and understanding of bigotries. I'd rather wash my hands clear of all of it. This is true regardless of religion. If Christians, Morman's, Muslim's, etc practice sexism, homophobia, etc...I've no tolerance for that. I recognize their right to do such legally...but I denounce such behaviors in total.

I'm human...and I'm sure I have had and will have failures, but I like to think that all bigotries are wrong regardless of if the bigotries fall within or outside of my comfort zone. If Obama calls somebody a "typical white person"...I call him out. If Glen Beck did the same...I'd call him out too. My personal principles are more important than my political principles.

I opine that for many on this thread the political principles are much more precious...

I'm ready to bounce Methnk just on the basis of his inability to use the forum. Three long deleted posts for every one kept long post is annoying.

Stop trolling. Go away. No one cares what you have to say. There is no hope for you since you're clearly incapable of understanding why Beck is so offensive. As others have said, that's sad.

Maybe someone should start quoting his posts, so when he deletes them, they're still there. :)

I kid, I kid. I don't like trying to sort through one wall-o-text, let alone multiples.

Methink said:

Carrie:

Look deep into your heart and try and understand why my link about the ICNA has you trying to "understand them." While what Jeff (and others) wrote about Glen Beck did not illicit the same "understanding" response inside you. If you took Jeff and the others to task...I apologize. I might have missed it.

It's not my responsibility to take anyone to task. And you seem to believe that non-response equates to acceptance or compliance. It doesn't work that way. There can be any number of reasons why people are not responding, the least of which is that they have other things going on in their lives.

Don't ever presume you have a deep understanding of what goes on in my heart and don't be silly enough to suggest you get what I understand better than I do.

But you are making my point. Glen Beck is automatically accused a racist because he said "Yak" and felt Sept 12th was an insensitive date. Where is your motherly instinct to protect Glen Beck from wrongful/hurtful accusations?

This is not meant to be combative. It is just a good demonstration how we all perceive information based upon our own biases and worldviews. We want to understand those we see as the "good guy." We've no interest in understanding those we perceive as the "bad guy." I'm as guilty as you.

Everything you've typed is meant to be combative. Please don't patronize me into thinking you are actually relating to me in some way.

I don't have a motherly instinct. And for someone who stands out against derogatory statements towards women, your suggesting that my compassion is driven by my gender is as bad as the things you claim to be raised to defend against.

This thread was meant as a Glen Beck bash. Most were comfortable with that until I introduced the character of the ICNA. Now those who perceive Glen Beck and his ilk the root of all evils...are circling the wagons. It is so easy to pile on Beck...yet look at how hard it is to do it to those you perceive as the good guy...the Muslims. Only Tek has had the strength to denounce their behaviors.

This thread was meant to be about controversy around an event at an amusement park. Again, don't presume you have any understanding about how I feel or what I think or who I care about.

I'm certain that based upon the original KKK/racist post by Jeff that most were willing to accept such labels without taking time to "try and understand" Beck...maybe by actually listening to the audio? Now some 11 pages into it...we are using the word "Yak" to try and label Beck a racist. Had the original response discarded the trigger words (KKK/racist) and instead factually reported that Glen Beck thinks Sept 12th is an insensitive date and he said "Yakity Yak". Does this sound nearly as abominable?

You won't let go of that issue no matter how many times people have broken it down for you. It's unfortunate you are unwilling to see things from other perspectives.

And I guess you can accuse me of not trying to "understand" the ICNA as derogatory. But I did provide a link every bit as valid as Jeff's Candian Health Care...and nobody took him to task?? I think most reasonable minds could assume that the information contained in my link is much more damaging to the ICNA than Jeff's links to Glen Beck's words.

I've already addressed this before.

The way I was raised...disallowing women to speak was not acceptable. In fact, disrespecting women in any way would have ended with my dad's hand on my butt. I label such as sexist. And those that practice such tactics become "the bad guy" from my worldview. And while I applaud your kind-heartedness and want to "understand" the ICNA...I'm not that way. Somebody hits, separates, diminishes a woman in any way, and they lose the benefit of the doubt for me. Much as Glen Beck has lost the benefit of the doubt for a lot of you.

How noble of you. And yet, you don't have a problem insinuating that my attempt at understanding is associated with my gender and "motherly instinct."

So you and I are different in that way. You seem a lot more tolerant and understanding of bigotries. I'd rather wash my hands clear of all of it. This is true regardless of religion. If Christians, Morman's, Muslim's, etc practice sexism, homophobia, etc...I've no tolerance for that. I recognize their right to do such legally...but I denounce such behaviors in total.

I'm human...and I'm sure I have had and will have failures, but I like to think that all bigotries are wrong regardless of if the bigotries fall within or outside of my comfort zone. If Obama calls somebody a "typical white person"...I call him out. If Glen Beck did the same...I'd call him out too. My personal principles are more important than my political principles.

I opine that for many on this thread the political principles are much more precious...

You and I are different in a lot of ways.

Telling me that I am tolerant and understanding of bigotries is meant to do nothing more than elicit a response and be combative. And that, Methink, is the very definition of an internet troll. I'm done feeding you now.

Only Tek has had the strength to denounce their behaviors.

I only want to comment on this. I did not denounce thier behaviors. I simply stated that I do not agree with their beliefs. I don't agree with the beliefs of Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, Buddhists, Taoists, Athists, Satanists, the Church of England, etc.

I only agree with the beliefs in the religion I subscribe to. That should be obvious. I've studied the basics of all of those mentioned and I disagree with the bulk of a lot of their beliefs. I am not a Muslim, and perscribe to a different belief system, therefore I do not agree with their beliefs. I didn't denounce anything, as I feel that they have the right to their beliefs, just as I do.

Don't ever put words in my mouth again.

Imay find not allowing women to speak insensitive and derogatory, butagain, people have the choice of what religion they want to follow. Ifthey want to submit to that, then more power to them.

Is there "more power to them" for Glen Beck and those that believe as he does?

Don'tever presume you have a deep understanding of what goes on in my heartand don't be silly enough to suggest you get what I understand betterthan I do.

I can't judge your heart through dots on a screen, just as you cannot judge mine. We can only judge posts. I judge your posts based upon efforts (or lack of) and content. The person is irrelevant...we do not know each other.

That is why no matter how strong disagreements get, you won't find me calling names (idots, trolls, etc). You guys may be the greatest people in the world, or not. I'm sorry if my disagreements with your opinions (Carrie, Tek, Jeff, anybody I've left out) have left ill will. I was under the impression that we were all tolerant of differing opinions.

I assure you that I'm tolerant of your differing views even as I strongly disagree.

So, anybody want to go to Great America?

Make a weekend of it. Muslim day at Great Adventure on fri, stop by the future mosque in NYC on sat, Muslim day at Great America on sunday.

Methink said:
I was under the impression that we were all tolerant of differing opinions.

Your patronizing b.s. is not something I will tolerate, and you've straddled the line (anonymously, no less) of our terms of service more than I care for. That you signed up with what is apparently a school district e-mail address is even more frightening.

You're done here. Go troll elsewhere.

I should have gone with my gut. We've been here before. Can you pick out who "Methink" really is? Duh. You'd think I'd see that coming after this many years.

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Jeff +1

I'll see you guys next year when Disney raises its prices, the new Intamin at CP is delayed, and someone doesn't like a Muslim outing at a local Six Flags. =D

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