Supports on site for Gadv's 05 Coaster

This is awesome. I guess I have a reason to go back to the East Coast. Does it need to be taller than TTD? No. I would rather have something that is not Launch-Hill-Peek-Drop. I would dig inversions and air and such.

Just me. Hope SFGAM gets something new.

Great Adventure *has* fanboys? Aside from Antuan, this is news to me :)

The copyrights made for Maxxx where Character marks, not trademarks for park ride, which includes merchandising, advertising, ect.

I'm not saying it is, I'm not saying it isn't. I really don't care to speculate anymore until the announcement, because it can make you look really stupid or really smart.

Great Adventure has some fans. Fans of the rides, not their customer service.
Red

Maybe I said it wrong. I meant the people on GAdv websites, like GADV and GADVCentral...

A rocket coaster give me a break!

SF's not made of money for one thing & 2nd if they are looking to one up CP then we all know SFMM is the park that they'd choose to spoil,not SFGRADV.

About the fence bit Gonch:it appears more likely that the fences around superman(SFA) are for employee safety rather than construction :( & I doubt there will be anything going on there next year.

It seems like SFGRADV will be the only one getting anything new in the way of rides,even SFMM...the king of spoiled rotten six flags parks seems to be taking 05 off.

Whatever it is enjoy yor new toy for it will be the last one you'll probably get once SFI goes bankrupt & all of their remaining parks end up sold or closed.....their lack of adding new rides to parks desperately in need of them in favor of spoiling one park rotten will prove to be the proverbial nail in the coffin for SFI.

I'm sticking with Paramount parks from now on,so I'm just going to PKD once a year,I'm just fed up with six flags now.

Here we go again...

Before this new GAdv ride, SFA has gotten more coasters since 1999 than SFGAdv. The new rocket coaster ties SFA; both parks have recieved six new coasters since 1999.

But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure this will be the last coaster the largest seasonal theme park in the country will ever get.

-Nate

Cry me a river BatwingFanSFA... just cuz your park isn't getting anything, and just becaues you were wrong AGAIN about SFA getting a coaster.

Six Flags is so far in debt, it does not have $25 mil to squander on a coaster like this. And plus, TTD is pretty much as tight as it can be. It's pushing maximum acceleration, and as much braking as is possible, so to have a shorter track means less speed and less height, even if it is a rocket.

Has anyone noticed that in this picture:

http://amusementpics.com/Pictures/July_29_005_copy.jpg

that the tires of the mobile crane are not touching the ground? Now that's what I call airtime!

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SFoGswim said:
Six Flags is so far in debt, it does not have $25 mil to squander on a coaster like this. And plus, TTD is pretty much as tight as it can be. It's pushing maximum acceleration, and as much braking as is possible, so to have a shorter track means less speed and less height, even if it is a rocket.

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Except, you have to spend money to make money...what is pretty much the only park in their chain that can recoup that kind of investment and turn a profit? And which park has got MILLIONS of perspective guests living within a few hours drive?

My thought is they break the height record, get tons of free publicity (just like CP does every time they break a record), and promote the park not just to a regional audience (NJ/NY/PA) but a super-regional audience (Boston to DC). People will come a long way to ride something like that...they do for TTD. Even if this was almost an exact clone of TTD and just a couple of feet taller (with track length shortened since SF would cheap out on the multi-train station), people would flock to it.

Wanna take bets on what coaster will they show footage of in the promos? haha

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Rob Ascough said:
thecoasterguy: I've been saying for months that this would be a Gerstlauer spinning coaster... thanks for making that observation. Call me crazy, but I'd rather see one of those instead of an Intamin Rocket that is going to break down all the time.

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Between looking at the pictures (actually, it became even more apparent to me from Lord Gonchar's post, which highlights the fact that the the ways that the supports will be bolted together match up with Timberland Twister, and don't match up to TTD. Look at the pictures in this order:

Timberland: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery2508.htm?Picture=19

Top Thrill:

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1896.htm?Picture=1

Note the connection area is completely different. Now, look at this picture at the connector all the way to the right:

http://amusementpics.com/Pictures/July_29_003_copy.jpg

No Intamins that I can find have a connector like that. See the following:

V2 Marine World http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1143.htm?Picture=5

V2 Great America http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery747.htm?Picture=3

Superman: America http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery699.htm?Picture=10

Superman: New England http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery628.htm?Picture=4

Superman: Darien Lake http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery541.htm?Picture=11

Millenium Force http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery594.htm?Picture=9

Expedition G Force http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery977.htm?Picture=37

Xcelerator http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1574.htm?Picture=4

Storm Runner http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery2498.htm?Picture=10

It is rather apparent with me that the Intamin supports ALL look the same, and do not have the same connector that the piece at SFGAdv has. The *only* coaster I can find with that piece is Timberland Twister. If my home park got a ride like that though, I would definitely be happy :)

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BATWING FAN SFA said:

...their lack of adding new rides to parks desperately in need of them in favor of spoiling one park rotten will prove to be the proverbial nail in the coffin for SFI.

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What!? Every park branded with the SF name in the USA has gotten a new (not relocated) installation in the last 5 years. Not a single one is "desperately in need)

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It seems like SFGRADV will be the only one getting anything new in the way of rides,even SFMM...the king of spoiled rotten six flags parks seems to be taking 05 off.

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Oh man. Do you have any sense of market, potential for profit, or anything else remotely related to running a business?

SFMM is in one of the largest metro areas around and has tons of competition. They have to keep up or die. SFGAdv is in the same boat. Of course these two park will get more added than the others, there's more to gain (and lose) at these parks.

Parks like the Texas parks have essentially no competition (aside from the other SF parks). Why toss the money there when you have no reason to and stand to gain so much more from tossing it somehwere else.

Even a park like SFA - what's the closest competition? BGW, PKD and SFGAdv. Where does it make more sense to put a 'marquee' attraction? At SFA where they pull from Virginia and compete with 2 other major chain parks or SFGAdv where you pull from the single largest metro area in the world (NYC) and Philly and overlap a bit with the same market you'd get by puting the ride in D.C.?

It's not favortism, it's not bad decisions - it's kind of common business sense.

And did I mention that every SF branded park in the US has gottean a *new* installation in the past 5 years? None of their parks is desperate for anything...

...except customers ;)

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thecoasterguy said:

Between looking at the pictures (actually, it became even more apparent to me from Lord Gonchar's post, which highlights the fact that the the ways that the supports will be bolted together match up with Timberland Twister, and don't match up to TTD.

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Well, that's what I was seeing that still kept me on the fence :)

However, I will say that if you look at the smaller 'branches' on that TTD photo - the connector does have that style. They may have just transferred that design to the large piece too.

Also look at the TT supports. The 'branches' on those do not use that design at the connector.

So essentially, it's still up in the air. The main piece connector looks like TT's (but Intamin used it in the past on smaller 'branch' connectors) and the branch connectors match TTD's (but Gerstlauer has used it on the bigger 'main' connector)

One of the two swtiched up their design.

What about this type of coaster it says it goes 450ft high, probably a long shot though since this is 3000ft long.

http://www.interactiverides.com/pages/Coasters.html

I think I found a spot where that connection could go

http://amusementpics.com/Pictures/July_29_003_copy.jpg

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1896.htm?Picture=12

Look at the center of TTD support near the top you can see a connection like the one on the first photo.

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thecoasterguy said:

Note the connection area is completely different. Now, look at this picture at the connector all the way to the right:

http://amusementpics.com/Pictures/July_29_003_copy.jpg

No Intamins that I can find have a connector like that.

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Ok, I found one. Ironically, it's my photo. Go figure.

Take a look at this TTD pic.

Go to the bottom where the coasterimage logo is. Go from the "C" in coasterimage and follow that vertical support straight up. The very first connector is very similar in style to the piece sitting at SFGAdv. (on a main vertical support)

Also note that a couple of the smaller 'branch' connectors do indeed use that design. I still can't find a TT pic where the smaller 'branch' connectors also use that design.

Still not claiming to know anything. Just saying I still feel the Intamin comparisons have every bit as much validity as the Gerstlauer comparisons (if not more).

EDIT - I spell goodest :)

*** Edited 7/30/2004 6:49:55 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

Actually... TCG, the part you are looking at as the 'connector' is actually the base footer connector, look at the other side of the support, traditional Intamin connector.

Also, you can tell it's Intamin by the 'paper-towel roll' like look. Where instead of looking straight, it looks like the tubing was coiled around to make a the support pipe.

The "mystery" connector is the way intamin bolts down their footers. Look at some of the S:RoS picture cited above from SFA or the Xcel pic. You'll notice that the bolts that connect the support to the footer have little "tubey things" ;) for the bolt to go through and the nut to sit upon. These are the same for the pedestal footer on SFMW's V2 which you can walk right up to and hug. They are also the same as the pedestal footers in these GAdv. pics and the end of this monster support. You won't find them anywhere on a Gestlaurer.

Additionally, if you look at the branch on this support, it's going *towards* the support (away from the end). On the Gersts, unless they're doing something really wonky with the track design, the branches face towards the end of the support.

To me, these supports just don't look anything like mouse supports and look a whole hell of a lot like Intamin supports.