Steel Vengeance closed for minor accident

Friday, June 1, 2018 1:25 PM
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RollrCoastrCrazy said:

I guess others can just pretend that that didn't happen,

It was testing all day yesterday when your video was taken so it hasn't actually happened yet.


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Friday, June 1, 2018 1:31 PM

Bakeman31092 said:

You're setting yourself up for disappointment, and that's no way to live. If you fixate on the mid course trim, then the moment you feel that little tug you're going to spend the rest of the ride with a frowny face and your arms folded. Just enjoy yourself. You're not going to convince everyone else here that they should be as worked up as you are.

Yeah, I agree with Mr. Baker. The ride was designed with the brake. I could understand the frustration if the ride was not designed with the brake, but they added it years later. When its designed with a brake, it means that it is intended to be run that way. There was a reason that they didn't want you to go that fast throughout that part. Yes, its for three train operation, but they probably had mitigating design trade-offs with the brake in mind. If there was no brake, they just would have made the elements less extreme due to the higher speeds. When SteVen is eventually running at three trains, you'll be appreciative that they're cycling 72 people through every four minutes instead of 48. It could be the difference between a 90 minute instead of a 2 hour wait, or eventually a 20 minute instead of a 30 minute wait.

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Friday, June 1, 2018 1:55 PM

I honestly don't remember the last time I logged in but...

RollrCoastrCrazy said:

Opening weekend people were getting ejector air in the front row coming off the MCBR... now you don’t even get floater in the back row.

I was there for the ride previews. The MCBR absolutely DID trim the speed, but not much. The front row absolutely did NOT have ejector air on that drop. People are being hysterical for the sake of making noise. If the ride is being trimmed it's because it's going to fast. Opening week/weekend the weather was colder, these rides run slower. It has warmed up since then. This is rather simple science here.

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Friday, June 1, 2018 2:35 PM

It doesn't really require any "science" or armchair engineering to open your eyes and just look at any videos of the train exiting the midcourse before the last few days and seeing a video now, including the ones from today at coastermania.

Regardless of how or why or programming or any justification it's just obviously running sluggishly in the 2nd half vs. how it did a few weeks ago. It's design was handling the speed fine before, as can be seen in every POV posted so far, but something changed.

Oh well, this will be like i305's first season, some people got to ride the "real" SV and some won't ever get to. I won't be pouty about it while I'm there this weekend but it sure as hell sucks to plan a trip around this huge new ride only to see the really sick looking 2nd half get chopped off at the knees right before you show up. This was the risk of booking my trip a few weeks late to insure a reliable operation.

Last edited by RollrCoastrCrazy, Friday, June 1, 2018 2:38 PM
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Friday, June 1, 2018 2:42 PM
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Well on Tuesday it was ejector air in the back row off the MCBR, not sure if that has changed or not. Also on Tuesday the MCBR was gently kissing the train as it passed, likely due to overspeed, it was hot as balls all day.

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Friday, June 1, 2018 2:46 PM

At least they just added the ride back to Fast Lane Plus for tomorrow! (on their blog)

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Friday, June 1, 2018 2:52 PM
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RollrCoastrCrazy said:
It doesn't really require any "science" or armchair engineering to open your eyes and just look at any videos...

Yeah, God forbid anyone bring science and critical thinking into any discussion. Could lead to dancing!


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Friday, June 1, 2018 3:08 PM

Lol, tough crowd here today I guess, I'm normally on the same page as most here but I guess this observation was not a welcome one. I simply meant that spending a bunch of time doing math to disprove me isn't really worth much when you can just put 2 videos beside each other and see the situation for what it is.

I can't wait to get some laps on RMC's newest creation regardless.

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Friday, June 1, 2018 3:10 PM

On your two videos do you know the speed at the entrance of the brakes or are you just looking at the speed on the exit?

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Friday, June 1, 2018 3:14 PM

RollrCoastrCrazy said:

Lol, tough crowd here today I guess, I'm normally on the same page as most here but I guess this observation was not a welcome one.

You're just a better enthusiast than everyone else.


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Friday, June 1, 2018 3:20 PM
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Another consequence of the math is that, regardless of the speed exiting the brakes or even the speed at the bottom of the MCBR drop, the speed very quickly returns back to "normal" as the train goes through the second half. A faster train is affect by friction more, so the speeds converge pretty quickly. I could explain the physics in more detail, but I don't think it would matter.


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Friday, June 1, 2018 3:33 PM
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RollrCoastrCrazy said:

Oh well, this will be like i305's first season, some people got to ride the "real" SV and some won't ever get to. I won't be pouty about it while I'm there this weekend but it sure as hell sucks to plan a trip around this huge new ride only to see the really sick looking 2nd half get chopped off at the knees right before you show up. This was the risk of booking my trip a few weeks late to insure a reliable operation.

I cannot for the life of me imagine forming an opinion like this based solely on videos without having actually ridden the damn thing yet. Seriously, you've already decided that this whole situation is a huge bummer and that you're missing out on something, no amount of reasoning will convince you otherwise, and it will almost certainly become a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's unfortunate.


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Friday, June 1, 2018 9:47 PM
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I rode it last weekend a couple times. That doesn't look any slower than it was going then. And I can confirm that it was far too amazing last weekend.


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Saturday, June 2, 2018 1:21 PM

All trimmed rides yesterday were trimming overspeed. Last night after 930 rides were trimless.

Calm down dude.

Line was about 40 mins to an hour all day.

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Saturday, June 2, 2018 1:40 PM

Was the park dead due to weather, or were they grossly overestimating the wait all day long? I'd expect the lines for a brand new, signature attraction to be longer than 45 minutes, even with two trains.

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Saturday, June 2, 2018 2:27 PM
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I was there yesterday from about 2pm-4pm. 40 minutes for SV. 5 min for MF. (That's all I rode)

Yes, the midcourse brake was noticable in that you could feel it slowing the train more than you could my past 3 rides.

No, I noticed no difference in the second half. It's just as crazy, fun, smooth, insane, insert adjective here, as I remember it from the past 3 visits.

Does it alter the ride? I don't know. My previous 3 rides were spaced days or more apart. Maybe if I had been able to do a side by side comparison... But as for "completely neutering" the ride... absolutely not.

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Saturday, June 2, 2018 2:27 PM

Park was dead.

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Saturday, June 2, 2018 3:01 PM
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PhantomTails said:

Was the park dead due to weather, or were they grossly overestimating the wait all day long?

Well for one thing, the SV wait time signs only go as low as 1 hour, so yesterday the sign was inaccurate all day long. ;) We waited as little as 25 minutes in the middle of the afternoon. The park was indeed pretty dead, so long as you walked past the occasional large school group all getting in line at once. In spite of the sketchy forecast, there was minimal spitting rain in the morning and that's it.

Had 2 rides during morning CoasterMania ERT, 2 in the afternoon, and another just before closing time in the dark, for which we waited an hour. (Oh what a difference 2 trains makes -- the line barely stood still.) Two of our rides were slightly trimmed, but made absolutely no difference in the 2nd half of the ride that I could tell, and each of those 5 rides were in different rows. Once you drop off the midcourse, it's off to the races again.

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Saturday, June 2, 2018 7:56 PM

Yes, it was being trimmed yesterday evening. I rode around 10pm and it is the *slightest* tap of trim. It was definitely for speed though because the first half was noticibly faster than my previous 6 rides have ever been.

The second half is not any noticibly different. It was just as amazing as my other rides. The ejector over the second outward-banked hill is GOLD. I’m so glad everyone is enjoying it just as much as me, it’s not often there is a buzz like there is with this ride. Very pleased with this outcome. They got it right!

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Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:05 PM

After 4 rides on Steel Vengeance over Monday and Tuesday, I'm happy to report that my hair-on-fire worries were mostly incorrect. I got trimmed on 1 of my 4 rides and it was really only noticeable in the drop off the MCBR and the final 4 bunny hops, taking them from painful ejector to just ejector air.

Later in the day one train was getting trimmed hard every time for overspeed and the other wasn't getting tapped at all, so if you watch a few cycles you should be able to tell which train will get you the coveted trimless run. The final bunny hills are INSANE when you don't get tapped.

EDIT: Whether you get a trimmed ride or an untrimmed ride this is still the world's #1 coaster by far in my opinion... with no close runners up. It blew past all of my high expectations. It's just nuts.

Last edited by RollrCoastrCrazy, Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:06 PM
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