S&S purchases Arrow Dynamics

Posted Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:19 AM | Contributed by Karl DeAngelo

According to Amusement Today, S&S has purchased Arrow Dynamics. As part of the settlement, they have settled the suit with Six Flags. They plan to continue using the Arrow name.

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:23 AM

In a way I'm kind of stunned and yet, happy. I'm glad they plan to continue using Arrow's name and I'm happy that parks featuring both S&S and Arrow machines should have a real easy time of it getting replacement parts.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:26 AM
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Well lets see will Arrow be able to get back on it's feet as a division of S&S. I hope so. I hope if they do decide to ever stop using the name Arrow Dynamics.....maybe they would rename S&S to S&S Arrow or something like it.

I wish S&S the best and hope that with S&S at the helm the future of Arrow products will be bright.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:30 AM
Ah, the heartache of possibly losing a great American company has come to an end. Hopefully we'll see a few new rides by Arrow in the near future. Perhaps an Air-powered 4D hyper suspended swinging freefall tower coaster :)

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:35 AM

Dang, now all Stan needs is B & M, Intamin, and GCI to corner the market, LOL!

Good to hear the 4D is in S & S' capable hands. Hopefully they can resolve the train issues and build a few more of these things.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:36 AM
john peck's avatar I have a feeling that Arrow will only be part of S&S for a limited time, until Arrow itself can get back on their feet.

This reminds me of when Arrow was owned by HUSS back in the early 80's.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:36 AM
Well feed me garlic and call me stinky!!! I surely never expected this. Good news though. I'm glad we might see more arrow greatness in the future.
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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:38 AM

As a result of this merger S&S has agreed to settle the SF lawsuit against Arrow so this is really great news.

Hopefully Arrow,under S&S's leadership will be able to start taking purchase orders for 2003-2004 rides,who knows we may just see more 4-D's being built as well as the highly anticipated Arrowbatic coaster.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:43 AM
Yeah! I heard that S&S Dynamics already has track at SFA!

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:44 AM
Ooh, I can't wait until they retrofit Double Loop with an air launch!

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:52 AM
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This will certainly allow Arrow to keep on doing its thing, but I'm still on the fence about whether or not it's a good thing.

I see two problems with S&S right now. Word on the street is that Paramount isn't exactly thrilled with them after the whole Hypersonic fiasco. Cedar Fair has their happy face on, but what's that relationship like after the Vertigo failure? Last I heard, that still wasn't resolved. Then throw the Denise Dinn hire into the mix, and you have another person who isn't terribly high on reputation.

The good news is that Arrow still does a strong parts business, and unless Utah sinks into the earth, probably will continue to do so for a long time.

That said, I have heard that S&S has sold a couple of rides for next year, so I guess we'll see what happens.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:58 AM
If there is anything that will bring more 4-D's into the market, I'm all for it. Of course, that remains to be seen, but I'd give anything to have a ride on par with X on the East coast. Hopefully this will be a step in the right direction.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:58 AM

I'm thinking this is good. Yes, S&S has had some bumps in the road as of late but look at all of the Turbo Shot-type rides as well as the"Ripcord" style attractions that have flooded the market. There are bound to be some runts of the litter and perhaps the Vertigo ride was an abnormal miss on their part.

I don't know enough about Denise Dinn to have a feeling one way or another about how she is being received in the industry but S&S now has it's hands in the traditional steel coasters, the possibility of wooden coasters, and all of the unique ride systems they have become known for.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at those staff meetings.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:29 AM

Does anyone know if this sale included the Arrow fab shop which was pretty large, or was it sold as a separate asset?

Maybe this will lead to marketing upgrades for Arrow trains along the lines of the Premier upgrades. Wild speculation, but we can always hope.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:42 AM
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They stopped steel fabrication last year, but continue to make parts, which is a large portion of their business.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:44 AM
X has to prove that it can run reliably before any parks are going to look at adding another 4d.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:45 AM
I hear that Hypersonic is still breaking down from a friend of mine. I don't know if this sale is a good thing from a reliability standpoint. And then, they're talking about combining technolgies. From my viewpoint, we've had too many rides in the last few years, with too much downtime.Maybe we should just go back to the old days of wood coasters without sensors and computer systems.
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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:47 AM
At first I was thinking this is a very good thing. However, after reading what Jeff said, it certainly has the potential to be damaging. We all know that Arrow and Six Flags aren't on the best terms, but if it's true about CF and Paramount not being thrilled with S&S, then S&S/Arrow have successfully alientated themselves from the three major players in the industry. This is not to say that any of the three chains won't purchase S&S/Arrow rides, but when you've got B&M and Intamin (who seems to be well respected by everyone) competing for the same business, you'd tend to lean toward someone you trust. I could be way off here, but that was just my first thought.

The one good thing for sure though is the settlement of the Six Flags/Arrow lawsuit. Finally Arrow can turn its focus elsewhere.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:54 AM

Intamin Fan said:

'Maybe we should just go back to the old days of wood coasters without sensors and computer systems.'

Only in my dreams. :)

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:57 AM

In my humble opinion I can see a bright future for these two companies providing they concentrate on refining some of their current ride technology, before getting too adventurous. They both seem to have fallen victim to a similar problem: i.e. New and unproven technologies running into problems in the field. I refer of course to 4-D with respect to Arrow and the Hypersonic SLC with respect to S and S.

It's a great pity that these two companies have had the guts and innovation to create two incredible ride experiences, but not the business acumen to ensure that the fallout from teething problems with the rides did not have serious implications for their business. Afterall, when X and hyper are running, they have attracted rave reviews!!!

I wish them all the best and hope to see a 4-D in the uk soon! :)

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