SPlash Mountain death.

Monday, November 6, 2000 9:51 AM
I couldn't figure out how to post this in the news so here it is:

[I've said this before folks... use a link, do NOT post copyrighted material here. There is currently a news item in the news section. -J]
*** This post was edited by Jeff on 11/7/2000. ***
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Monday, November 6, 2000 10:14 AM
S*C*A*R*Y

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what's life if you never get to the point, CEDAR POINT!!!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 10:20 AM

oops!

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A UK COASTER KING
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Monday, November 6, 2000 10:24 AM
If the reporting is accurate, sounds like another bozo on the planet. Not only would he have been suicidal, he hadda make a public display of it.

Note to bozos: Do it in private! Some of us are actually dealing with the coasters in our lives.

Sorry to be so blunt about it.
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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 11:54 AM
Man ... that's gonna be one huge lawsuit.

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Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.
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Monday, November 6, 2000 12:07 PM
Re: "lawsuit."

What on God's green earth would the "cause of action" be to support such a claim? If you get up and willfully "depart" the ride during its run, you have no lawsuit. Again, this supposes the reporting is accurate, and therefore the witness accounts are, too.

The only lawsuits here could be: 1.) For a really twisted attorney to waste the court's time in the hope of a Disney deep pocket settlement; --or-- 2. A lawsuit by the rest of us against the deceased's estate for our severe emotional distress suffered from enduring such a public suicide.

Hey, wait a minute....we may be on to something here.... ;). I'm feeling the need for a twisted lawyer.....

No disrespect intended, Spewey. I just get a little tired of folks not being accountable for their actions.





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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 12:33 PM

A lawsuit could be won on the basis on insuficient restraints, as the rider is not bolted into the seat with steel bras and is free to move as they wish. Not likely, but possible in the current blame evryone but yourself when you do something stupid. Not defending companies that put out bad products, but those who do something dumb deserve what they get, for the most part.
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Where would we be without the rumor mill?
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Monday, November 6, 2000 12:43 PM
I guess it then comes down to the following;

"Witnesses told the investigators the man 'got out of' his boat on his own...." The only questions are: What is "got out of?" and "on his own?"

Now we're in danger of starting a legal analysis class. WE could be liable for mass suicides from boredom! I want everyone to know, that despite poor restraints, I got out of this post on my own! ;)





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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 12:49 PM
I just love it when people like this put a bad name on coasters. Just goes to show, it is never the ride's fault, but the rider's.

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Coasters- a little slice of heaven
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Monday, November 6, 2000 12:54 PM
I HOPE ITS NOT CLOSED WHEN I GO TO DISNEY WORLD
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Monday, November 6, 2000 1:50 PM

Hey guys, I did not say, or even imply, that I thought a lawsuit would be a good thing. I just said that (in my opinion) there would be a lawsuit, and given the target, probably one seeking substantial damages. And Disney would lose (or, more likely, settle out of court). Parks ALWAYS lose these lawsuits. Don't blame the messenger.
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Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.
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Monday, November 6, 2000 1:53 PM
No "messenger slaughtering" intended!

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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 2:15 PM
There are cameras all over that thing providing operators a view of everyone in the boats at all times. I saw this story on the news and it said he got out right before the final big drop, despite the signs all over the lift saying "Do not stand up" and "Keep all parts of body inside boat at all times", ect. They have this guy on video getting up and out of the boat, disreguarding posted safety rules, which basically means Disney is not responsible. I for one am glad the guy died. It would be more tragic if he reproduced and had children, therefore subjecting future generations to unmeasurable quantities of his blatent stupidity.
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Monday, November 6, 2000 2:20 PM
Thank you, David.

Untold generations of this idiot's progeny would have been a scary reality.
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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob!
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Monday, November 6, 2000 2:34 PM
Hm...
let's see....
I wonder what happens if I reach down and un-hook this, and then slip out of this, and then lift myself out of this boat.....
I mean, it's not like I could get hurt or anything.

I'm a huge fan of railroads just like coasters, and they have 1 thing in common. They get blammed instead of the stupid people. Like everyday you hear of someone who didn't slow down when approaching a crossing, or soemone who sped around a downed crossing gate then got slammed and killed by a train. They blame the railroads just like the parks.

not to speak ill of the dead, but people need to wake up!

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www.angelfire.com/in3/rct
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Monday, November 6, 2000 2:37 PM
This is yet another black eye on the amusement industry. Idiot or genius, I for one hate to hear of a death in the industry we all love. Like in one of the earlier posts, garbage like this only makes it worse for us, the enthusiasts.

The whole "Social Darwinism" aspect of this guy's death may be fun to joke about, but I would rather he had stayed in in his seat in the first place.

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So you want a coaster in your backyard? I hope you have a big backyard.
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Monday, November 6, 2000 3:06 PM
Amen Soggy. Amen.

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Where would we be without the rumor mill?
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Monday, November 6, 2000 3:09 PM
I am really sorry to hear that someone on this site is glad the guy died. First off no one knows why he did it. No one. So don't say he did it because because he was suicidal. If he was then he would choose a more secure way to kill himself. There is no garentee he would die on the ride. Second, stop saying "Guys like this give coasters a bad name" or somthing like that. It is not the ride nor the parks fault the man got up and out of the car, so trust me no one will blame the park if they hear the whole story. I am really sick by what some people are saying. This man is dead and no matter what reason he did that, he is still dead. Have some respect for him.

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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point
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Monday, November 6, 2000 3:21 PM
While you're hiding behind the omnipotent cloak of "respect," have a little of the same for the public who has to witness--and continue their lives--with that kind of garbage.

And if your disputing "suicidal," whatya think he got out for, a lost quarter?

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buckweet FL
anybadcoastabeatsanygoodjob! *** This post was edited by bukweetfl on 11/6/2000. ***
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Monday, November 6, 2000 3:55 PM
Yes, I don't think we should joke about what was obviously a tragic event, but I don't feel it is disrespectful to say that it was a stupid act.

And regarding lawsuits - I don't mean to harp on this but most people don't realize what a surprisingly big role they play in shaping parts of our society - mostly for the good, if I may editorialize. Without lawsuits, for example, many corporations would have less incentive to provide healthy, safe products as well as decent conditions for their workers (our roads could still be clogged with exploding Pintos). They have also helped raise the safety bar at amusement parks, although I agree sometimes this may reduce the "thrill" on some rides. Please don't mistake this as a plea for more lawsuits. And one last time - it does not matter about warning signs, video cameras, or the type of restraint - Disney would lose this (hypothetical) lawsuit. This isn't even the most egregious example of rider misbehaviour. My favorite (briefly) - a woman on the Knott's rapids ride, when she saw she might get wet, unbuckled her restraint and JUMPED INTO THE WATER, breaking her leg. She sued. Knott's lost (settled, actually). You could smuggle a welder's torch onto a freefall ride, and cut out the harness when you reach the top, leap to your death, and your family would still win a lawsuit against the park. Ridiculous? Yes. Reality? Unfortunately. And in the end, insurance premiums that parks have to pay go up and up - and guess who pays that bill in the end.
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Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill. *** This post was edited by spewey on 11/6/2000. ***
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