Six Flags sends poor people to the back of the Bus (or coaster train)

Wouldn't it make more sense to let FP people pick any row they wanted? Maybe some would prefer a different row? And, it would move the FP line much faster. Instead of sending 4 FP out, then send up to 28. I think that would please FP people more, as they get on the ride faster, thus the point of a Flash Pass. Odds are there will not be massive amounts of FP people in line, and it would speed up both lines.

On Tatsu, they did this at first. I didn't get a front ride on Tatsu for months, because the FP people who always placed in the back row. It made the FP line crawl - 4 people dispatched every 4-5 minutes - and that was only when they filled every seat.

T: Olsor

I disagree. At least in other situations I had some shot of riding front without buying FP. In fact in most cases with assigned seating, a little bit of letting people ahead of you will get you exactly what you want for less wait than open seating. *** Edited 4/25/2008 7:28:23 PM UTC by ApolloAndy***

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kevin38 said:
I have posted my veiw before that Disney excludes low income families by never discounting admission tickets

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By the time you get plane fare, hotel, rental car or drive there, meals, etc., your admission tickets are the least of your worries.

You can go for one week, and it's $31/day for Disney admission. That's cheaper than Holiday World, Knoebel's or Kennywood. Go for 10 days, and it's only $22/day. Hardly seems exclusive.

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Family of 4 @ $22 per day times 10 days is $880. They are practically giving it away! Who goes to Disney parks for 10 days in a row?

I'm going for 8 days in the fall. :)

That's not 10, but it's close. Yes, it's a little over $800 for base tickets.

Still a much better value in my eyes than the week-long trips we take during the summer where we hit a handful of parks at $30 or $40 per person, per day.

^^ Raises hand... last trip out there was ten days.

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Keep in mind that C-Buzz posters are the exception to the theme-park marathon trips. I know my wife would be begging to go somewhere else after 3 days of park hopping. I have a feeling there are plenty of non-enthusiasts that couldn't do a full week without getting tired of it.

Yeah but you can take those 10 day Disney tickets to Guest Services and make them valid for your lifetime for a charge which I think is about $90 per ticket. I still have 4 of the 7 days left on my ticket from last March.

As for the new policy at SFFT I don't think I would mind if I got assigned the front row because I had a flash pass but I would then get in line later to go for a back row ride and also make sure to get it by watching the loading process and letting people in front of me so as to get it. *** Edited 4/25/2008 7:59:49 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

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Soggy said:
Keep in mind that C-Buzz posters are the exception to the theme-park marathon trips.

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Oh, I understand that. But I'd be willing to be the vast majority of Disney vacations are 4-7 days. Those seem to be the two points they try to sell people at.

You can do 7 days/6 nights in a value resort for as little as $1455.

$52 a day for theme park tickets and a hotel room is giving it away. I don't see how that can even be questioned.

You also notice a high end 7-day package on there for $5374. That wouldn't be listed there if people weren't paying it. :)

I think the fact that WDW represents 4 of the most visited theme parks in the world speaks for itself - both on the value and interest in the parks.

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Lord Gonchar said:
Maybe they can start offering 1001 different flavors of Flash Pass - kinda like the 1001 flavors of Disney tix.

"I'll take the Gold Flash Pass with Front Seat option, please."

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Funny, I recently read an article about GM (or was it Ford?) where the CEO said that the gazillions of options were killing them on the sales floor (hard to provide the perfect car for someone). So now they are going to sell cars with fewer options and option packages.

What's this about less is the new more? How does that go again?

As a consumer, and especially as a consumer of luxury items, don't make me think too much. I'd rather pay once to get in and then only think about which line I want to get in.

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Lord Gonchar said:
You can do 7 days/6 nights in a value resort for as little as $1455.

$52 a day for theme park tickets and a hotel room is giving it away. I don't see how that can even be questioned.

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Well, you still have to get yourself there... ;) I'll admit that there are great money saving packages out there. And we have sufficently strayed way off topic... hey, I feel just like a podcaster!

I'm with Gonch. Folks aren't going to Disney for a quick stop. They are going for a vacation. I'm on a paid disney planning site and many folks post their dates, similar to the Calendar Planner here on CBuzz.

Granted, this may not be a representative sample, but the vast majority are there for at least seven nights. A good chunk of the visitors fly there, and if you're going to fly, you're going to be there for more than a few days to amortize the costs of the airfare.

And, back on topic: having a grouper direct people to seats, so as to quickly fil trains with a minimum of fuss, is great. Not letting folks wait for a row they want is not great. *** Edited 4/25/2008 8:43:07 PM UTC by Brian Noble***

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kpjb said:
Stuff about Disney in response to kevin...

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Absolutely, my upcoming 6-day/5-night (2 people) Disney trip only set us back $1900 for Airfare, 6-day park hoppers, dining plan , hotel and transportation.

We have season passes to CP, and staying the same amount of time at Breakers (nicer rooms to be found at Pop Century...), would set us back roughly $1500, plus the cost of food. It might be slightly less, but I'd still be in Ohio. :-D

Not that I mind spending my money at CP, but Disney is quite a special place.

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janfrederick said:
As a consumer, and especially as a consumer of luxury items, don't make me think too much.

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No, I'm with you. I should've added the winky to that post.

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Brian Noble said:
I'm on a paid disney planning site...

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Yeah, one that took forever to get the October park charts up. ;)

Should've given me a ring. I'm really good at predicting those charts. I got february '08 almost 100% right.

In response to the above
3 years ago i bought passes to universal
buy one year get second free
189.00 x 4 = 756.00
stayed at days inn for first few trips
35.00 a night.
We went every other month for 3 days for 2 years 36-48 admissions.
stayed on site 3 times for 149.00 a night
and tried all three hotels.
Felt like I got value for my money
Last year got the six flags passes for 45.00 x 4
and parking pass 45.00.
Been 4 times for one day so far this year
So to sum it up

2 years Universal for 756.00 = Value
1 year Six Flags for 225.00 = Value
8 days Disney for 2000.00 = Not value
1 year Disney for 2316.00 = Not value(current season pass pricing)

I can spend 200.00 a month on my coaster/theme park habit.So if I save for a year I can spend 8 days at Disney or a whole year at Six Flags with only a few month saving.I am looking for the best value for my money.

So there's a service you feel isn't a good value and the market catered to you and offered you a different option that you do think is a good value. Sounds like it worked out well.

^^ You're also comparing park admission prices to the price of admission, parking, and hotel at Disney.

I'm going to Disney with my wife and son for 10 days in August/September. It's costing me $1356. That includes on-site hotel, parking, and two meals and a snack every day for each of us each day. That's $136 per day. That's $45 each for lodging, food, parking, and park admissions.

You mention staying at a Days Inn for $35/night. That means you probably paid $10/day for parking at Universal. Deduct that from my $136, and we're now at $91 a day for admissions and food. I don't consider $30/person including food to be exclusive. Minimum wage workers can afford that.

(...let me add that I'm no Disneyphile. I'd probably never go again if not for my wife and son, but it wouldn't be because of expense.)

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kpjb said:
^^ You're also comparing park admission prices to the price of admission, parking, and hotel at Disney.

I'm going to Disney with my wife and son for 10 days in August/September. It's costing me $1356. That includes on-site hotel, parking, and two meals and a snack every day for each of us each day. That's $136 per day. That's $45 each for lodging, food, parking, and park admissions.

You mention staying at a Days Inn for $35/night. That means you probably paid $10/day for parking at Universal. Deduct that from my $136, and we're now at $91 a day for admissions and food. I don't consider $30/person including food to be exclusive. Minimum wage workers can afford that.

(...let me add that I'm no Disneyphile. I'd probably never go again if not for my wife and son, but it wouldn't be because of expense.)

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I got the premimum annual pass so you don't pay for parking.
Also from day's inn it is faster to walk than drive to parking deck.
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