Six Flags - Flagship Park?

Yes it is possible for both to be the flagship if they do want to do an east west thing. But is seems that the 4D concept and the Giant Boomerang concepts weren't as big of hits as the Floorless, Mega or as stable as these either operationally. All I hear about X and Deja Vu are how often they are down. (Not to turn this into a customer service rant since GADv is not perfect there either). Nitro, Medusa and Superman:Ultimate Flight are up most days that I get to GAdv which is about 6 or 7 a season. Matter of fact I rode all of them each visit I had last season. *** Edited 12/23/2004 5:37:58 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

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Texas is growing, now why they didnt get a 400 footer? Maybe not enough space although they could take out some of the unneeded parking.

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With SF's monopoly in Texas, they don't need to.

jomo- who also has a feeling SFMM may be sold off next (what other possible excuse could they have for running it so far into the ground?).

Maybe SF is like some of the other arrogant people on this board who think that everyone goes to the park wants to do nothing but ride roller coasters.

Did you all ever for a moment entertain the possibiity that there is *no* flagship park for SFI? Everything that I have read seems to point to the parks being 'tiered', but never have I gotten the impression that SFI favors any one park as a standards bearer over the other. On the contray, they tend to mention MM, GAm, GAdv and oT as a collective. I think this is another case of enthusiasts projecting their own feeling onto the company.

Oh yeah Happy Christmas and Merry New Year!

lata, jeremy

That's my thought, too, Jeremy. No single flagship.

Six Flags "flagship" parks basically go by geography. SFMM for the west coaster, SFGAm for the midwest, SFGA for the east coast, and SFOT for the south. That's why some Six Flags parks get lame rides and just get duplicated rides like mind earser and others. I know that there are other good parks, but these four seem to be the ones that Six Flags dotes upon.

I realize Qbot people have to "wait" just as long as the people in line, but your "wait" time involves eating, riding other rides, walking around, bathroom breaks, etc. Plus, then yinz get up to the platform and fill it up so fast waiting for your "back two rows" (supposedly) that you block off the main line so no one from the main line can get into the station. Of course, this means everyone in front of the Qbot people empties out, and the Qbot line just fills it in and then there's still no room for the main line people and as many as seven straight trains dispatch with no movement in the main line, while the Qbot line just streams right in (after they've "waited" on other rides and at the food stands and sitting down on benchs, etc.).

So no, Qbot people don't wait as long. Time-wise, yes, but standing there in one place while people who get treated better than you because they have a loose $20 per person all get to ride before you does not count the same as wandering through the park "waiting" on other rides.

Hmmmmm. I seem to remember SFI management themselves making some sort of noise about SFGADV having some particular significance amongst its peers in the chain in a recent conference call.

I can't quote what they said...it's been a while.

-'Playa

*** Edited 12/23/2004 8:18:37 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***

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dr_pepper_PhD said:
... and SFOT for the south.

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SFOG may have that title... certainly debateable, but the first two are definately well taken care of and to me, about on the same level (Partnership :))

*** Edited 12/23/2004 8:40:59 PM UTC by RamblinWreck***

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Thats not really valid, MM has a 4D, a Super Boomerang, and a Suspended... oh, and Goliath opened before Nitro Just because GAdv got a Flyer and a Floorless first (of which MM got a clone) doesn't mean that they have "passed" MM.

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Well....SFGam got Raging Bull before either got Nitro or Goliath.;) Goliath wasn't even made by B&M anyway.

Well one thing we know: it ain't SFDL! That park never gets anything new ;)

Okay, here's more detail.

In the November 9 04 conference call they called New Jersey and Chicago their most significant markets. They called SFGADV an 'extraordinary asset,' a market that always responds well to new capital expansion and that the long-term plans for the park are a 'key driver of the company's future growth.'

So if there is a flagship park, it's SFGADV. If there's any other park close in the chain, it's SFGAM.

There you have it. From their own mouths.

Let the bellyaching begin!

-'Playa

Impulsiuve. I have never ever seen 7 trains with all qbot leave one after another. I have been to great adventure 2 times amonth every month this past season and have used qbot everytime. MEdusa and nitro have the qbot people join in with the other line. So etchnichally we wait in line too. also why dont you try using qbot some time its worth the money. In my opinion anybody who has a season pass should use it .

also take into consideration sometimes qbots wait times are longer than the lines. For example i had a 3 hour wait period for any ride after like 2 during fright fest. even for stuntman wich is only like an hour wait at most while actually in line. Also its not the parks fault if the ride operators dont know how to handle the main line and qbot. In myt opinion there should never be a full train of qbot people.

also rides like batman have rows specially for qbot and people are constantly going in those rows who are not qbot and the ops have to hold u pthe train and get people out of those seats so the qbot people can go in . that holds up the lines too.

LOL That would take 150 Q-bot riders... they don't schedule that many that close together, unless it is just some special group that you ran into that paid for that privilage, I dont know.

How did this become a Q-bot battle?

Well the trains certainly weren't full! All I know is this: I was sitting in some scorching hot sun beyond the shade for Nitro. For seven dispatches in a row, I was able to see people constantly walking right up the Qbot steps and into the station. For those seven dispatches, the trains were leaving with the front and back couple of rows filled and the middle had a scattering of people, maybe 5 1/2 full rows of people. In those seven dispatches, I moved up one queue rail, so what, about 6 feet? That's pathetic, and I could see that the line was stalled because there was such a backup in the station, except there were constntly people filling in the front rows from the back of the station, meaning they were coming from the Qbot line, which is completely separate until the loading platform and doesn't join up with the other line as you claim. There were no employees monitoring the entrance to the Qbot line, there were none monitoring the top of the stairs to the platform, it was just chaos.

And yes, that is completely the park's fault if the employees aren't monitoring the Qbot line. If there aren't enough employees to watch the line, shut the thing down, make everybody do the most horrible thing ever and actually wait in line. It's the most telltale sign that the SFWoA guy runs the show out there now, because it's the same crap over again. Jobs you'd think would be part of the job description aren't being performed, and no one really cares, they just let the public do what they wish. That's a big part for me as to why SFWoA was an awfully run park, and it makes me mad to see that same attitude and management slowly being implemented at what would otherwise be a great park in SFGadv.

Well I don't have a season pass to any Six Flags park as I live in Pittsburgh and there isn't one convenient enough to warrant a pass. Plus, I would never pay $20 just to cut the line, since that's all that is. That's price gouging and I simply refuse to support that. Plus I feel bad for the people I would inevitably be making their waits longer because I know I hate being in the position they'd be in.

I don't understand how you could expect me to feel bad for you that you had to wait longer while you're free to roam the park, ride what you want, eat what you want, do what you want, while I sit there and wait in a line that might be half as long, but has no place to sit, has no other rides in line, has no food stands in line, and of course, doesn't move because Six Flags feels that someone with more loose money than me it worthy of a more efficient "wait" in line.

In my two visits to GAdv, not once did I see reserved Qbot rows, Qbot people simply walked up the exit ramp or a special ramp into the station and walked right on the train in whatever row they wanted. SFMM's Goliath had reserved Qbot rows, and that's the only SF coaster I've ever seen that had reserved Qbot seating that was apparent.

This turned into a Qbot battle because I freakin' hate the things and haven't gotten to vent about them in quite a while ;)

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Impulse-ive said:
And yes, that is completely the park's fault if the employees aren't monitoring the Qbot line. If there aren't enough employees to watch the line, shut the thing down, make everybody do the most horrible thing ever and actually wait in line.

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I know, but most of the ones at SFOG have always had employees at the special entrance, but I don't know how other parks operate.

I rarely get one (of any type, not just the SF program), usually only if it's my only visit to the park and I want to guarantee as many rides as possible, or if I'm taking someone to the park who doesn't visit often, ie, some family or out of town friends.

I don't really sympathize with anyone (on either side of the issue...) on this because it evens out pretty well (as in time of wating versus the actual wait time, an issue that has been brought up before) and it's always an option. It's like saying its not fair that I get five times as much of a return on stocks because I bought more stock than you at a 5:1 ratio. It's capitalism, or free enteprise, or however you want to classify it, and I personally don't resent seeing a row blocked up for Q-boters, they paid for that privilage...

Edit: in response to one of the other lines from above, sometimes there are reserved rows, other times the riders are just "Stuck" to occupy vacant seats. *** Edited 12/23/2004 10:25:44 PM UTC by RamblinWreck***

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Kyle Fobe said:
Well....SFGam got Raging Bull before either got Nitro or Goliath.;) Goliath wasn't even made by B&M anyway.

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Yep, but we were really debating GADV and MM, at least I thought ;)

I know, but it is a similar ride, a hyper coaster, not to mention the Giovonala mega is very similar to the B&M version...

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RTneedsTLC said:
"Commish, what are you talking about?

Rick McCurley was one of the main reasons that SFWOA made so many strides in its last 2 years as a Six Flags park. He is VERY welcome here and has done an outstanding job so far."

Can't agree

*** Edited 12/24/2004 9:32:15 AM UTC by Commish***

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Impulse-ive said:

In my two visits to GAdv, not once did I see reserved Qbot rows, Qbot people simply walked up the exit ramp or a special ramp into the station and walked right on the train in whatever row they wanted.

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Granted, while I have occasionally seen what you're saying...it's a very rare thing...each time I've been there (and I am a passholder), I've seen a row on a train for Q-Botters...and if there aren't any people lined up for it, then there are regular rows. It's unfortunate how they work the system, leaving that row open so that people can line up for it, only to tell them they can't get on because of Q-Bot riders...would make much more sense to close the row off. But as for people walking on wherever they wanted...I've rarely seen that.

I think the more important question is why was Brett in line for Nitro? Its not a launched coaster! ;)