Shoot the Rapids: "The boats didn't fit the flumes"

Posted Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:44 PM | Contributed by Jeff

Cedar Point is still opening Saturday, but its new Shoot the Rapids attraction won't be along for the ride. Engineering problems with the ride -- the boats the passengers ride in were too long and didn't fit the flume -- forced the park to delay the ride's debut by two weeks.

Read more from The Sandusky Register.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:21 AM

Forgive me, as this isn't useful to the discussion.. but... I can't resist.

hahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahaaha.

Typical.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:31 AM

YoshiFan said:
I don't if it counts or not since Six Flags purchased the ride but Possessed is also another ride with problems. It had problems at Geauga Lake and is still having problems at Dorney. It didn't open on time in 2008, it has had more downtime than any other coaster in the park and it still has not opened this season.

I don't know if it is still going on now as it did when the ride was at Geauga Lake...

But does the Dorney ride still have downtime in order to keep Wicked Twister running? I know that for a while, I understand that the holding brake contactors had been removed in order to keep Wicked Twister's main drive running. Something about Intamin not being able to produce parts and not being willing to divulge the OEM...

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:01 AM
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That sounds just ridiculous enough to be true, and if it is, that's pretty sad.


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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:05 AM

Seems to me Arrow's designs had a lot more standardaztion and they made their own boats.
than Intamin. Intamin and their proprietary  components... Maybee if they released
some of their OEM designs/material's others could improve on it. 
But with their current trend that would certainly lead to their 
demise and the rise of others.

Last edited by JoshuaTBell, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:07 AM
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:15 AM
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They probably found out that they installed a turn that was too tight and the boats got stuck. Cheaper to replace the boats than to dig up the flume. It sucks, but it happens.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:29 AM

Actually, in the article Kinzel says it had trouble on the lift hills. However, given the track record Intamin has, it wouldn't surprise me if making it through the turns was also a part of the issue.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:20 AM

JoshuaTBell said:

Seems to me Arrow's designs had a lot more standardaztion and they made their own boats.
than Intamin. Intamin and their proprietary  components... Maybee if they released
some of their OEM designs/material's others could improve on it. 
But with their current trend that would certainly lead to their 
demise and the rise of others.

Actually, we had a similar problem while I was there, just the other way around. A major Orlando theme park bought the flume trough and mechanicals from OD Hopkins, and the boats from us. Despite having an army of engineers (more than we had in the whole company) monitoring the project, modifications had to be made to get the boats to go through the ride. I didn't follow that too closely as there were no wires for me in that project.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:03 AM

Mamoosh said:
"Four" boats? Please let that be a typo.

The ride, as designed, carries 10 boats. Not sure how many they had built, though.

Last edited by djDaemon, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:05 AM

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:01 AM

Mickey's Fun Wheel was not built by Intamin. It was built by another company, that Intamin purchased during fabrication. Intamin then assumed all parts inventories and service from then on. Its now in their catalog as one of their products. Simple as that.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:44 AM

...Same company that did a lot of fabrication for Intamin. Basically if it wasn't built by Giovanola, it was built by these guys, which is probably why Intamin bought them. It was actually one of the companies that was part of a much larger (and still existing) engineering and fabrication company.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:34 AM

If there are only 4 boats x 10 people a boat x 12 trips per hour (5 minutes per experience = 3 for the ride + 2 for the load/unload), seems we are looking at a 480 riders per hour? With 1 minute load/unload we are looking at 600rph. So there defiantly needs to be more boats, at least 8, to get up to the 1,200 rph the webpage three posts above suggests.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:43 PM

airbuzz said:
Thanks for mentioning Stengel. Let's not forget that Intamin is a broker and not a designer or manufacturer of these rides. Isn't Giovanola still doing most of the steel fab? Intamin is like the Dell of the amusement world -- aggregating third party solutions and selling the package.
/m

That was the case for many years, but since about 1996 Intamin has had their own manufacturing facility-the Intamin Bahntechnik factory in Germany.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:48 PM

This site should be called Bashwagon.com b/c of all the coaster communities out thier this one is one to jump on the bashwagon the quickest. It use to be the Six Flags/SFMM bashwagon here then TPR bashwagon, then Cedar Fair bashwagon now it's Intamin. This site is just over run with negativity and it sucks, you guys don't even know the specs of the situation but yet you know everything and it's all Intamin fault.

Your talking about Premier as if they are perfect yet they've had two of their coasters torn completely down b/c they didn't work right coughBatman&Robbincough. Look at Maurer Sohne and HRRR all the problems it's had and still not running 100% looks at Vekoma and all the problems they've had and already having with Battlestar Galatica. I so sick of hearing about the lap bars on Intamin coaster/rides when they work/ed fine for normal people how was intamin suppose to know Americans were going to be stuffing 300+ pound cows onto their products?

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:57 PM
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Pageview +1. Thanks for that, and keep them coming! An unabashedly honest opinion from someone called "Intaminlover."


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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:05 PM

Wow, talk about a troll!

How can it NOT be Intamin's fault? They are responsible for this problem, nobody else. Even if the boats were contracted to another company, Intamin supplies the designs and blueprints. They SHOULD have verified the quality of the work during and after the boats are completed. Most engineering firms visit the contracting companies to check on the status of their product, ensuring quality and proper specification. Intamin should have been all over this. Intamin probably made a mistake on dimensions when designed and the contractor made it to spec. I highly doubt the contractor was at fault (although possible). In the end, those boats should of never had made it to CP in the first place. Intamin should have caught it.

Either way, it is a silly mistake. Talk about a 'fail' moment. :)

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:05 PM
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mwatts said:
So there defiantly needs to be more boats

"I don't care what you say, I'm going to add more boats!"

:-D


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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:04 PM
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Agent Johnson said:
Mickey's Fun Wheel was not built by Intamin. It was built by another company, that Intamin purchased during fabrication. Intamin then assumed all parts inventories and service from then on. Its now in their catalog as one of their products. Simple as that.

Yeah, but the comment was in response to my original, saying that it was an Intamin ride (which I was 'partially' correct in saying), and then someone said it was Premier. In the end, the 3 rides that were being discussed were Cali Screamin, and 2 Rapids Rides. Interesting to know that, though, about the true builders. And having ridden Mickey's fun wheel and the Coney wonder wheel, Mickey ain't got nutthin on Wonder Wheel (I screamed like a girl, ask AVMatt).

coughBatman&Robbincough

For the record, the fairly well documented problems with that coaster(s) wasn't a Premier Issue. It was with the company that SFI went with to supply the LIM system, a cheaper company that Premier didn't apparently want to go with. So your logic is flawed. Oh, and everyone here bashes Vekoma too, so we're equal opportunity bashers.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:48 PM

RideMan said:
Much of the fabrication for Intamin is probably done by Intamin, by the company formerly known as Waagner-Biro (I think I spelled that right). Intamin is a weird company, in that they do some engineering and construction, but in the end are essentially an integrator.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Edit: You are correct, it looks like Intamin AG acquired the Waagner-Biro LeisureTech Division in 1999. But, I think most of the manufacturing is done at the Intamin Bahntechnik factory in Germany. And, apparently they still sub-contract with other manufacturers.

Yes Intamin has a picture of Mickey's Fun Wheel on their Ride Trade site, but they didn't sell that one, although they can sell an identical wheel as they now own the rights to the ride. Mickey's Fun Wheel/Sun Wheel was a Premier project constructed by Waagner-Biro. Premier Rides and Waagner-Biro were in a partnership at the time.

This was the best link I could find:
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/amusement-recreation-services/4575368-1.html

Sixth paragraph.

Last edited by Jeffrey Seifert, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:56 PM
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:32 PM

LOL, this sounds like This Is Spinal Tap: The Ride! These boats are one-bigger!

Last edited by FLYINGSCOOTER, Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:42 AM

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:03 PM

In that case shouldn't they seat eleven riders each?

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