Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

Where are the hobbitssss

ApolloAndy said:

that's because it's incorrect. But it's also common, like "octopi" which is also wrong.

Well this has been the place to be wrong since mid-March.

Lord Gonchar said:

GoBucks89 said:
Hope we have enough eggss and baskets.

I read that, like this:

...even though I didn't want to.

"Must avoid trixy virrrrriiiiiiii. Wait, I mean....virussessssssss."

Cedar Fair announced that Kings Island and Cedar Point will have modified weekend operations for fall. Dorney and Worlds of Fun will close on Labor Day. The rest of the parks (minus Knotts) will stay closed for the rest of 2020.

BrettV said:

...now seeing countries that did do a hard lockdown essentially suffer similar issues that we are suffering...

I wanted to revisit this. Those countries might be seeing some new level of outbreak, but they're definitely not seeing what we are. This piece, for example (which does a good job looking back at where the US went extra wrong compared to others), points out that:

• The US has had 5x more new cases in the last month than all of Europe, Canada, Japan, South Korea and Australia combined. Europe by itself has more than 2x our population.
• Sure, Spain had a spike of 50k cases, but Florida had 300k, with only half the population of Spain.
• You can make similar comparisons between Texas and France, Georgia and Australia, California and Japan.
• The US is the only affluent nation to have a sustained outbreak, for over four months now. Everyone else had a curve, we had a plateau.
• The US is 4% of the world population, 22% of the deaths caused by the virus.

Why is it important to draw attention to this? Well, above everything, I imagine that self-awareness is a good step to fixing a problem. We have a pretty good idea about how to roll with this now, and I can't believe we're learning this from theme parks, but I'm still observing that people have been pretty liberal about their pool parties and family gatherings, without precaution. There's growing evidence that kind of thing is why we're not yet coming back down.

And yeah, the apprehension about vaccines is wholly frightening in other ways.

This is not an epiphany...but wait until the vaccines start rolling out but in no significant numbers. Of course, first responders and the medical professionals will be first to access them but wait until the politics about who gets them next...and when. Fauci said we should have a significant supply on hand...but the end of 2021. That is a LONG way off.

To your original point about our numbers being so awful compared to the world? Those numbers speak for themselves.

Obesity rates may further complicate the vaccine:

Scientists know that vaccines engineered to protect the public from influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus and rabies can be less effective in obese adults than in the general population, leaving them more vulnerable to infection and illness. There is little reason to believe, obesity researchers say, that COVID-19 vaccines will be any different.

“Will we have a COVID vaccine next year tailored to the obese? No way,” said Raz Shaikh, an associate professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

“Will it still work in the obese? Our prediction is no.”

More than 107 million American adults are obese, and their ability to return safely to work, care for their families and resume daily life could be curtailed if the coronavirus vaccine delivers weak immunity for them.

In March, still early in the global pandemic, a little-noticed study from China found that heavier Chinese patients afflicted with COVID-19 were more likely to die than leaner ones, suggesting a perilous future awaited the U.S., whose population is among the heaviest in the world.

And then that future arrived.

https://khn.org/news/americas-obesity-epidemic-threatens-effectiven...d-vaccine/

Jeff said:

There's an overwhelming feeling of, "Science didn't have this right from the start so to hell with all of it because I'm bored!"

There are many good topics of discussion and points to be made. But I want to grab this one right here. For many of us on this site we have said that we just don't understand why people can't do "insert whatever here".

I think it is extremely obvious why they don't. In the beginning it was we need to stay home to save the hospitals, flatten the curve, etc. That message morphed into stay home to stop the spread. Ask any commoner why we locked down, bet you will get a load of different answers from different people. Various media outlets and government officials routinely conflict and send a multitude of different messages.

The economy takes a hit, unemployment rates soar, the quick bounce back promised by so many never happens. In the beginning it was clean everything, now its not a big deal, at first it was don't buy masks, save them for the workers, that message was interpreted into don't buy masks. Now the message is wear masks. Some places were shut down, allowed to reopen, now have been ordered to shut down again.

The mortality rate for those under 50 isn't that big of a deal. Combine this with individualism and cultural dimensions for the U.S. and it's no surprise to me why so many people have just thrown their hands in the air and don't care very much about it anymore.

The scientific method has generally worked as expected. What we've lacked at the federal and state levels is leadership that embraces that you have to live with some amount of ambiguity while the nerds figure things out, and in the mean time, here are the things we can do with the information we have now. This would have been far different from, "No big deal, this will go away, see you in July!"

And you've gotta stop saying the mortality rate "isn't a big deal" for people under 50. Is every dead person under 50 an anecdote? For something that was relatively preventable? What about the people who don't die but are having lasting conditions for months after infection?

So let me rephrase then. The mortality rate for my age group just isn't a big deal to me. I would also venture to guess that many people who are under 50 have the same thought process. It all goes back to that sliding scale we discussed early on.

If I get infected tomorrow then I get infected tomorrow, I'm not concerned about it. If this doesn't kill me than something else most certainly will. I don't live each day and worry about the little risks around me. Maybe I am in the minority around here, maybe I am younger than most around here. Not sure.

^^There are already a ton of ways to die or become permanently disabled, many the average person hasn't even considered but with a husband in EMS I've heard about them. So to some extent at this point for myself and family I don't intend to go around licking doorknobs or anything but we basically just added another way to die to an already long list. This one happens to be the main attraction right now. A little more likely right now for some.

It’s been tough for me, but since March I have successfully given up my 3 knob or handrail licks a day habit. Changing times, amiright? But even after quitting, seeing a freshly sanitized theme park queue rail really tests the willpower.

They're just so bright and shiny and hard to resist but we gotta stay strong.

Disney World reducing park hours starting September 8th.

https://wdwnt.com/2020/08/breaking-walt-disney-world-drastically-re...ptember-8/

Not surprised. They are already painfully slow, and by then kids will be back to whatever school will look like.

My Annual Passholder blockout dates lifted yesterday and I have some reserved dates for the next month. I love nights in the parks, so it'll be weird to see then ushering people out in broad daylight (other than at Animal Kingdom where that was the norm for a decade).

For those in the "why aren't people taking this as seriously as they should?" crowd, I urge you to read the following story. I'm not saying this is happening everywhere, but this is a good example as to why everyone shouldn't take everything they see at face value:

Kansas COVID Chart Fiasco

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sentinel-ksmo/

I guess "not taking things at face value" doesn't apply to finding credible sources?

Biased or not. Is the chart in the news article the chart that was released by the doctor? If so then it was data manipulation, if not the media manipulated it.

Here's a link to the original starter story. You'll see the graph in the video:

Original Story

I'm not really sure how this is defensible. And for a doctor to intentionally mislead people trying to defend a mandate that I'm sure he had some part in helping to promote is reprehensible at best.