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Florida is the third most populous state, it's pretty silly to generalize about it. I live in a fairly liberal, diverse, Biden-voting area, not some backwater panhandle town. That's kind of the point, that if it's serious here, it's worse elsewhere.

bigboy said:

So if you designate X beds for COVID patients and the rest for everyone else, does it make sense to sit with empty beds if everyone else isn't using them?

Well let me clarify, limit number of covid beds, all beds can be used for anything, but only a limited number of designated covid patients can occupy the hospital at any given time.

Jeff said:
The Hippocratic Oath.

Isn't it time to stand up and say you are responsible for you? This country is built on the lowest common denominator, and we cater to them. Everyone seems to think the world around them is responsible for their safety, security, income, whatever. Time to stop carrying the past along and stand up and change things.

Similar to my feelings on the whole penal system. Felony? You go from your conviction in the courtroom to the electric chair/gas chamber/whatever method you like. No prison, no wasted expense, and if you feel like gambling on a crime, you gamble with your life.

I bet you're super fun at parties.

CreditWh0re said: March 25 2020

This thing is going to kick the "Truthiness" crowd right in the ass.

and the SRMF still haven't learned. Healthcare system in Mississippi has failed. Curve is still accelerating in Red South and Midwest.

Jeff said:

Florida is the third most populous state, it's pretty silly to generalize about it. I live in a fairly liberal, diverse, Biden-voting area, not some backwater panhandle town. That's kind of the point, that if it's serious here, it's worse elsewhere.

No, it's easy to make those comments given your governor. We've all seen this coming. The fact that you are fortunate to live in a diverse area just means that (as you've implied) your area will just get hit slower, but with the same force, because the rest of the state won't stay in their red counties, without interacting with people in your area.

I've just spent the last hour or so reading this thread from the beginning and I have to stop as my blood pressure is literally (not figuratively) skyrocketing as I look at what Trump/Abbot/DeSantis/Doocey and the Right Wing Noise Machine has caused. We are truly at a point equal to December of 2020, and it's going to get a lot worse in the next three weeks.

who could have predicted this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/over-20-000-mississippi-students-covid-quarantine-after-first-week-n1277099

Ok, I give. What is SRMF?

I'm not sure about the S and the R but I'm pretty sure I know what the MF stands for, and it's not "Millennium Force".

stupid and redneck

sorry, forgot to define my abbreviations as per Terms of Service (TOS)

Jeff said:

I live in a fairly liberal, diverse, Biden-voting area, not some backwater panhandle town. That's kind of the point, that if it's serious here, it's worse elsewhere.

That works on the assumption that both of those groups would seek medical attention at the same rates.

Since we've pretty much decided to operate on stereotypes at this point (not you, but the thread at large), I would guess that the folks living in a liberal, diverse, Biden-voting area would be quicker to run to the hospital with symptoms while in some backwater, panhandle town, they'd be more inclined to "tough it out" or maybe have a more limited access in general.

The NY Times still has that "how full is your hospital" page going.

We're fine here...and a generally Republican voting area.

I also checked "back home" (western PA) where much of my family lives and they're fine too...and they're mostly the srmf-type we're all talking about.

I think its simpler. Population. More population, more spread, more beds full.

(mental note to self: After you hit the 'submit reply' button, go look for info on how the hospital beds per capita of different areas compare. If it matches up with the above urban/rural theory, come back and add that to this post...

...or just go eat some Ho-Ho's in bed because none of this matters. Either way.)

Gonch, you're close, but you're missing the fact that the SRMF I'm referring to (since you're aiming my way) are mostly in states that failed to embrace the ACA and Medicare/Medicaid expansion. So they do NOT access health care at the same rates as liberal states.In those red states (Texas, AL, MS, LA, Iowa) access to primary preventative care for poor people still lags the blue states. As such, the ER is still the first line of care for a non-zero sized subset of the population,. That same population, who until just recently, still believed that COVID wasn't real/serious etc, so they aren't vaccinated and Delta is kicking their ass.

The NYT ICU website is behind the paywall, for which I don't have a subscription, but i would ask someone who does to look at MS at the moment. (I know it's bad there, but don't have updated specifics)

Shades said:

It’s like we’ve started this thread all over again.

CreditWh0re said:

The NYT ICU website is behind the paywall, for which I don't have a subscription, but i would ask someone who does to look at MS at the moment. (I know it's bad there, but don't have updated specifics)

Much of MS is unreported. If I zoom into to a populated area like Jackson is says ICUs there are at 88%.

For comparison (theirs, not mine, it's on the graph on the page), it also says the State of Ohio is at 69% and the national average is 68%.

For additional comparison, I zoomed equally in to Orlando. ICU capacity there is currently at 103%.

But without the context of what capacity of the ICU's of the world are at during a 'normal' time, this is all really meaningless to me. A national average of 68% doesn't feel like a crisis. (I'm not saying it isn't. I'm simply saying that if you told me the countries ICUs were 68% full, my uneducated opinion would be, that number doesn't sound too high.)

We’re fine… now. It just hasn’t hit up north yet. If the same patterns hold as last year, as it gets colder the northern states are going to get hit as or nearly as bad as the southern states are right now. Winter is coming and I don’t think PA is going back to any restrictions. The Governor got his wings clipped by the conservative legislature, delta is going to spread. Our vaccination rate even in “liberal” Allegheny County is only slightly higher than Florida’s.

The NYT doesn't have the hospital I was talking about on the map, or several of the others that are new quite literally in the last few years. Weird now that I think about it, we have a lot of new hospitals. We also have a lot of new houses that didn't exist a few years ago.

Anyway, the pandemic dynamics still apply. The more there are people not mitigating and/or vaccinating, the more likely any one individual will become exposed and potentially infected. My odds are zero if I stay home, far greater if I'm around the people who can carry. I don't understand why this is still not understood by the anti-mask/vax people. If everyone is vaccinated, the virus has nowhere to go, and when it does pop up, it's not likely to go far. Then we all go mask-less and about our business spending the money the gubermint keeps sending us.

Lord Gonchar said:

...or just go eat some Ho-Ho's in bed

I.C.U. beds are filling up across Southern states, and Alabama is one of the first to run out. The Alabama Hospital Association said on Wednesday night that there were “negative 29” I.C.U. beds available in the state, meaning there were more than two dozen people being forced to wait in emergency rooms for an open I.C.U. bed.

Alabama has no more I.C.U. beds available

Just remember that the anti-mask movement started with Trump because he thought it made him look weak (eyeroll) and it messed up his orange makeup.

So this on Facebook shared by a friend who lives in Georgia. It again underscores how this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

While important, this information really doesn't give any picture of the efficacy of the vaccine. (For the 18th time,) Without the baseline to know how much of the general population is vaccinated, this data is meaningless. For instance, if 10% of the population is vaccinated, then these numbers mean the vaccine is completely ineffective. If 70% of the population is vaccinated then vaccines are somewhere in the neighborhood of 95% effective. If 99% of the population is vaccinated, then the vaccine basically makes you corona-proof and not having the vaccine is a death sentence.

Let me make an analogy which might not work:
I have a bag full of blue and red dice. I reach in and grab a handful of the dice which I then roll. I choose all the dice that came up '1' of which there are 10 red dice and 2 blue dice. At this point, I have no basis to judge between two possible causes: (1) Red dice are more likely to roll a '1' or (2) There were more red dice in the bag in the first place.

When we talk about "This % of people in the hospital are unvaccinated" we're looking at a group of dice that have come up 1 and we're implying that the dice are weighted differently. That may be the case (and I happen to believe it is), but it is not a conclusion that can be drawn from the available data.

This might seem esoteric, but I've seen articles from places with 95% vaccination rates that say "3/4 of hospital patients are vaccinated" as if that's something to be alarmed by.