Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

I don't know what that exchange between Gonch and Kevin had to do with anything. 🤷‍♂️ However, Dave had two interesting points in his wall of text. The TL;DR is:

It's giving the impression that the vaccines are not effective, when in fact these vaccines are *exceptionally* effective.

...and...

It's almost as though the CDC is deliberately trying to downplay the effectiveness of the vaccine in an effort to reinstate universal masking requirements, which doesn't seem to be a reasonable response from a scientific perspective, but rather from a social one, as the un-inoculated have demonstrated in the last month that they will willfully ignore demands that they continue with masks and distancing and the like even as the immunized try to get back to normal.

I think the latter is a good theory. Trying to get people to do the right thing with logic and science didn't work all that well, so maybe a little fear is in order. Mind you, the risk is that some people will just be fed up and go off the deep end with anger and even less understanding. The significant run on vaccines in Louisiana offers some hope that where it is actually getting bad, things will improve.

I suspect a significant portion of the unvaccinated already have the antibodies…from “the hard way.” That’s a decent hypothesis of why 9/10 of the unvaccinated aren’t showing symptoms/catching the virus, etc…

So I at first read it as the vaccine doesn’t stop the infection, didn’t think about it from that angle. However, if the goal of the CDC is ultimately to reinstate masking overall, and possibly to inject some fear. Then, what specifically is going to change?

Plenty of people I worked with who preached the same story. Let me get vaccinated and ignore all future restrictions and I am down, otherwise it’s not worth the time or energy.

Anti vaxers aren’t getting it done regardless of anything the CDC says or does.

There is probably some segment of the population who will get it done, but if they haven’t gotten it done this far what exactly will fear of it spreading do for them? They obviously aren’t that concerned with contracting it.

The marketing has always been stop the spread, if the government now says hey vaccines won’t stop the spread then I think they are doing more harm than good. Unless it really is true that vaccines don’t stop the spread very well.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SAYING VACCINES WON'T STOP THE SPREAD. How many times do we have to come back to that?

This was the statement in the article posted a little bit back.

The CDC last week recommended that fully vaccinated people wear masks in indoor public settings where there is "substantial" or "high" levels of COVID-19 spread, citing research showing that vaccinated individuals who are infected with the Delta variant can pass it on to others.

So they stated you can be infected while vaccinated and if infected you will spread it. It just depends on that number, where on the slider does it lie? Is it 1%, 10%, 74%? Though to be fair it’s probably not 74% as that was an outlier I’m sure.

vaccines will slow the spread, but stopping it appears off the table.

It probably isn’t 74%…but that Provincetown report is the ONLY report the CDC released to support changing their mask guidance. It is apparent the CDC thinks it is 74%…OR…wants the public to think it is 74%.

If you believe that the number isn’t 74%…you have to believe the CDC is full of **** here. Is there any other way to read this?

Current data looks like these vaccines are working as well as, if not better, than advertised. Yet they moved the goalpost on the mask recommendation. It is a completely counterintuitive response to good news.

They should have done an advertisement campaign demonstrating how well the vaccines worked, how much of the sick and hospitalized were unvaccinated, etc… Then stayed the course.

Maybe this is a purposeful over-exaggeration and/or over-response from the CDC…? I.E. the “fear” tactic discussed above.

That opens a whole new discussion about “trust” in government… which is ironically what got us here in the first place. 😳

Or maybe the CDC IS a trustworthy organization that sees something that scared them enough to about-face.

If you still don't understand the efficacy, the largest age group to grow in hospitalization is kids under 12. You know, the ones that can't be vaccinated yet.

I'm not sure exactly what the CDC is supposed to do at this point.

They recommended masking and social distancing and some people listened.

They recommended vaccination and some people listened.

They recommended vaccinated folks could go mask free and the unvaccinated heard that the pandemic was over.

They said that this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated and some people listened.

They said we should all wear masks again due to the unknowns related to the delta variant and those that didn't listen all along call them liars. Worse some governors and local officials are actively not listening.

I'm grateful to live in a state where the governor is the only adult in the room. He gave local school boards the opportunity to follow CDC guidance but they did not. He stepped in because they failed to do the politically inconvenient thing and follow the guidance of health officials during a pandemic.

The messaging from government/CDC is certainly not about protecting the children.

"We're not going to lock down our economy or our schools," despite delta variant of coronavirus. "We are not going back. We are not turning back the clock." Jen Psaki (45 minutes ago).

Source: https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1423708994196197376?s=21

If the CDC is changing mask guidance to protect the children, why not show their work? Why release just the Provincetown study which is almost universally lambasted… and adult focused by the way…?

Anyhow, it would seem to be a reach to conclude the CDC changed their mask guidance to “protect the children.” And IF that is the real reason they did so…their public relations department needs pink slips immediately.

Almost EVERYONE would mask up to protect a bunch of kids who were in sincere statistical danger from Delta. But there’s a certain percentage of vaccinated that have ZERO interest in masking up to protect their crazy adult uncle who refused to get the vaccine… One is innocent. The other…certainly not without fault…

Anyhow, this take is about poor government/CDC messaging. Not about the statistical significance of Delta’s effect on kids. It is a bit too soon…

As I mentioned earlier, the fastest age group for hospitalization is the under-12 group. Should the CDC point that out? Probably, but people like DeSantis don't care. (And just wait, his "you will not require masks" mandate for schools will be challenged, and he'll lose, as he does.)

Wearing a mask and lockdowns are two completely different things. What work do you want them to show? That vaccines are largely effective but this cluster is concerning regarding the vaccinated ability to spread the virus. This is new.

Children under 12 are not eligible for the vaccine. 1/4 to 1/3 of 12-17 year old children are fully vaccinated. I don't see how a reasonable person can say that students under 12 shouldn't be masked in schools, unless they believe kids are vaccine stoppers like former education secretary DeVos. Clearly 12-17 year old kids aren't getting the vaccine at a great clip either. Our school posted an update on social media the other day about Freshmen orientation. Less than 5% of the students pictured were wearing masks. My local community does not have a 95% vaccination rate for that age group.

DeSantis is losing grip with reality, if he ever had it. He's blaming the spread of the delta variant in Florida on the immigration situation at the southern border. Weird that California, Arizona, and New Mexico are not having these spikes like Texas and Florida are. I can't see how DeSantis could pass a legal challenge denying a local municipalities ability to comply with health guidance.

He’s not losing grip with reality, he’s virtue signaling ahead of the 2024 election.

Fox vs Fox - Migrants and COVID

So to get around the wall, the illegals are dropping into Orange County by... parachute?

When you spout a belief system that is false, your explanations of how to fit reality into that system will no doubt get weirder and weirder.

This is impressively stupid.

Well to be fair there is a large body of undocumented migrants throughout southern and central Florida. However this is nothing new, They didn’t just start showing up last week.

DeSantis 2024: Build the Dome!

Come to Central Florida, your dome away from home

^^

The logical argument, if one does really fear Covid-positive immigrants being "planted" in communities to cause greater spread, is to immediately get vaccinated to protect yourself. Of course they never get to that part of the message.

Why let facts get in the way of good rhetoric?