Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

Jeff said:

The interesting thing is that it has been Broward and Palm Beach, not Miami-Dade, that has been the train wreck in the recent months. I'm not sure what to make of that, other than the fact that the upper two are somewhat more uppity.

Not sure how true this is. According to the Harvard Global Health Institute (the map/info I've been following for the past month or so), Palm Beach has actually dropped to orange status and all three counties (Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade) are down significantly in cases per capita over the past month or so. (as long as I've been eyeballing the data)

I think all this thread has proved (to me, at least) over 100 pages is something we've touched on more than a few times - we all seem to be seeing what we want to in the data, info, advice and news. You can see our individual attitudes get established pretty early on in the discussion (like literally within the first couple of pages) and then we've all spent the last 95 digging in on our stance with the new data and information as it comes out.

Nothing else really, I happened to finally have a chance to check out the Harvard data again after our week in Florida, saw the drops and remembered the comment. Wanted to share.

I don't buy the "see what we want to see." We see the same thing, which is 200k dead people, lung transplants, people sick for months, slammed hospitals, etc., it's just that we apparently have different opinions on why that is or isn't a big deal.

Hey Gonch, you manage to get in some dry humping time while in Miami? Maybe it wasn’t the humidity you were sticky from after all.....

The dewpoint is rising...

...in my pants.

Jeff said:

I don't buy the "see what we want to see." We see the same thing, which is 200k dead people, lung transplants, people sick for months, slammed hospitals, etc., it's just that we apparently have different opinions on why that is or isn't a big deal.

We see the same facts and data points, yes. But I would argue that someone like Gonch or I sees certain trends or discoveries as optimistic and you see the same trends or discoveries and say we are wrong to be optimistic.

It's no different than seeing the facts and statistics and the science and making the choice to visit Disney or Universal or fly up to Cedar Point in the fall and you seeing the same facts, statistics, and science and deciding those would not be things you are comfortable with. I see the overwhelming number of younger, relatively healthy people coming away from this in a similar way to a bad flu, and you focus on the minority of folks that require significant medical care and zoom in on the few cases where somebody needs a lung transplant at 25. I see all of that, and still make the case that a ride on Space Mountain is still relatively safe or "worth it" and can;t imagine having spent the last five months avoiding public places. Others can't imagine me having the tenacity to take a casual trip to Ale House for lunch and then down to IoA for a spin on Hulk during a global pandemic crisis.

Mind you absolutely none of us is necessarily right or wrong. I just do think that we do "see what we see" and choose what, and how much news and information to consume.

I would venture to guess there is a decently strong inverse correlation between amount of news media consumed and tolerance for risk.

Anyway, everyone has a different risk tolerance. Some people would never jump out of an airplane, I didn’t think twice about it and greatly enjoyed the experience. I’ve been told I’m crazy for doing it. Why?

TheMillenniumRider said:

I would venture to guess there is a decently strong inverse correlation between amount of news media consumed and tolerance for risk.

I hesitate to agree with this the way it's written, but I totally agree with the basic sentiment.

And I've said the same thing a few times - Here, Here, Here

Sitting at home, reading and watching is often being fed a diet of Scary Things™ - I've fallen in to it more than a few times. I sit here and read stories and look at stas and think, "****." Then I have a reason to have to go out and I legitimately feel relief at what I see and experience. It's happened to me a handful of times since March.

That's not a call to stay uninformed or not take whatever precautions are necessary, but to be realistic. If you're focused on a handful of lung transplants due to COVID, for example, it's gonna seem bad. But it's realistically a statistic akin of winning the lottery in the big picture. A human interest piece on a COVID-realted transplant isn't scaring me into the house any more than buying a lottery ticket is pushing me into creating a detailed budget for my $300 million dollar net worth.

OhioStater said:

The should replace the house with all of us. We are pros at debating back and forth endlessly and about trivial differences. We are all well qualified government officials at this point. We can use these last hundred pages as a resume.

BrettV said:
We see the same facts and data points, yes. But I would argue that someone like Gonch or I sees certain trends or discoveries as optimistic and you see the same trends or discoveries and say we are wrong to be optimistic.

OK... so which part of this is an optimistic trend? I guess we're getting better at treating it?

I feel pretty good at my chances of not receiving a lung transplant.

I don’t know. Looks like new cases have been trending downward for about a month. That’s pretty optimistic. Especially considering we have reopened and whatnot.

I was looking at the graphs Jeff just posted and optimistically hoping it was the leaked blueprint of someone’s new roller coaster

Some positive trends...

• In the places where social distancing and masks have finally been implemented the numbers are starting to decline
• In the places that have already done that the numbers are pretty low, Pittsburgh metro has 286 deaths, the median age is 84... 84! I’m sorry for anyone who has lost loved ones but that’s an astounding number to me.
• Even in Florida the infection rate is less than 1. When this started it seemed like we were all going to get this and die because of this new cunning virus. Turns out all you really have to do is wear a piece of cloth over your face to stop it. I would be pretty furious if I lived in a southern freedom state though. This could have gone a lot better if the orange man would have acted rather than blame.
• According to the Covid Act Now website only Florida and Georgia are in a “Active or imminent outbreak“. Last week it was the entire southern US.
• Vaccines are in development and have shown great results so far.

Things can be a lot better. But they could also be a whole hell of a lot worse.

This was good to hear

Some of this seems optimistic

How is this bad?

When all else fails

It’s been years since someone got me. But you sir, you got me. Nicely played.

Damnit. Wrong Buzz.

Phew! It looks like we narrowly avoided a discussion about sliders.

Statistics are interesting. They make good headlines. They are fun to throw around.

This morning we lost one of my police officers. 46 years old. No underlying conditions that we are aware of. Husband and father.

And, this was during the summer when the disease was going to just "disappear" because of the warmer weather.

Fall/winter is going to be a disaster unless we start taking this more seriously as a nation.

Mulfinator said:

Phew! It looks like we narrowly avoided a discussion about sliders.

Oh, I love sliders. Especially when they are done just right, nice and juicy. A soft bun and just the right amount of seasoning. Mmmmmm. Sliders.