SFI s new coaster for 08

Monday, September 10, 2007 5:39 AM
Actually I-Fan, I agreed with everything you posted except that last sentence. Their not leaving that money in the consumer's pockets their giving it away to CF, BGE, and Hershey. *** Edited 9/10/2007 3:12:20 PM UTC by coasterguts***

A day at the park is what you make it!

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Monday, September 10, 2007 10:42 AM
Very true!
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Monday, September 10, 2007 10:48 AM
matt.'s avatar

Intamin Fan said:
Things were really good for a while there. From 95' through 01', new attractions were added every year.

"Really good" for ride additions themselves, I agree. But the park itself was still sub-par even back then, and dumping money into a park that doesn't have the basics down was a perfect recipe for, well...exactly what you have now.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but I was under the impression attendance at SFA was doing really well even without recent ride additions.

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Monday, September 10, 2007 11:16 AM
If I remember correctly, SFA was and still maybe a top 50 park according to Amusement Today. The magazine has since ceased publication and figures for 2006 were not published and even the figures that were up for debate were always questionable. Regardless, from what I remember, SFA was seeing decline in attendance for as far back as I can remember.

A day at the park is what you make it!

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Monday, September 10, 2007 12:00 PM
matt.'s avatar How far back can you remember?
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Monday, September 10, 2007 1:25 PM

matt. said:

Intamin Fan said:
Things were really good for a while there. From 95' through 01', new attractions were added every year.

"Really good" for ride additions themselves, I agree. But the park itself was still sub-par even back then, and dumping money into a park that doesn't have the basics down was a perfect recipe for, well...exactly what you have now.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but I was under the impression attendance at SFA was doing really well even without recent ride additions.


Well before the SF purchase Premiere was actually investing in the park & trying to turn it around & for a regional park they were doing fairly well at the time.Freom it's inception in the early 80's SFA has always had competition from KD & BGE & simply was a sub par experience when compared to those two parks but in the mid to late 90's they were working on turning that image around.

Then along comes the cutbacks in cap ex spending for new attractions for the park in 02 & they've been in a rut ever since....now granted the operations have gone downhill lately & that's a management problem that needs to be sorted out but the park has also gone stale with the lack of any capital expenditures going to now rides for the dry side & that really needs to change & soon....especially with KD supposedly adding Dominator next season.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:34 PM
Guess what people I need say no more than the $200.000 in OSHA fines why because as my clueless self has repeatedly said they don't currently have a clue, much less care. I go weekly and the only thing that will stop me from going is if the park forces itself out of business. What makes matters worse is Great America is loosing a Coaster this off Season, so are you happy? By the way I've been to other Six Flags Parks I'd give anything for a Intamin Speed Coaster over Raging Bull. And my clueless self has long been in the know that Great America's profits pay for other parks very existence. But this year that all changed. How do you think Shapiro feels about going another $200.000 in debt for OHSA VOLATIONS. Remember you heard it hear first rebuilt from the ground up and now you see why. Oh for the person who told me to stay away from the park well know problem next two weeks Kings Island and edar Point will be me and my gangs hangout. Which with 6 people = -$ for Six Flags. You will all sing a different tune when Great America gets sold again and Six Flags will go away for good.
Ronald Witrzek
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Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:51 PM
Nah! The fact that SFGam was fine by OSHA pretty much sealed the fate of SFA getting anything new in 2008.

A day at the park is what you make it!

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Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:10 PM
I have heard that SFSTL is getting a new GCI coaster. I have also a rumor that they are getting a Motorbike coaster, but I would say that it is most likely a GCI coaster.
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Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:47 AM
Ronman:

Even after your recent post, you are still clueless.

You have no idea what is going on with SFGAm and anything related to it behind the scenes, and you never will.

Move along.


My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.

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Friday, September 14, 2007 1:33 PM
Chitown open your eyes I really don't care what you think I know. I don't have to go into great detail of who I know or how I try to closely work with them. Have you hosted 5 regional events at Great America in years past? Did Larry Wine contact you about your idea's for Coaster Con when in 2005 it was held at Great America? But I'm not at all saying any of this for Self Praise. As I stated before all I want is for the park to return to a shadow of it's former self. I truly believe it can and will. I got an idea next time your at the park why don't you pull some weeds oh, but you thinks I make all this up. You really want a reality check if I could I'd Relocate Columbia/Whizzer/Viper, give them a Cedar Fair redo and move along with them to Sandusky and I would never look back to Gurnee. For now it's way to much fun watching what is going on this year and what effect it will have on years to come. Oh by the way would you mind fixing that fence thats falling down coming off of Viper's Exit. I really wonder what you will say when thepark is put up for sale, oh did I say that?
Ronald Witrzek
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Friday, September 14, 2007 1:40 PM
I just want to point out I do believe Great America is a great park. Wonderful Theaters Resturants now all I hope is they could be put to the use Marriott had intended for them. Way back all I said was we need to get back in the arms race. Does St Louis Really derseve a third Wooden Coaster and not Great America? Great America has always been on the cutting edge and Six Flags wanted it for a long time. After all these years of owning it Six Flags needs to give back to Great America. I really even wonder if any coaster will happen now?
Ronald Witrzek
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Friday, September 14, 2007 3:07 PM
Being a coaster enthusiast and hosting coaster events at parks doesn't give you a backstage pass of what is going on with the park. You seem to be one of those that thinks the red carpet should be rolled out for you.

Shapiro is going for a more family friendly park. You seem to be stuck in the coaster mindset. Since you are one-track minded, you don't see or care about the benefit of family additions.

Now you are babbling about which SF parks deserve coasters?

You have no business sense obviously. Your comment of re-building from the ground up is about as laughable of a statement as they come.

Great America isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It is one of SF's cash cows.

But since you know everything, I guess we are all going to be shocked when the park and SF folds, right? You take this hobby WAY TO SERIOUSLY.


My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.

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Friday, September 14, 2007 3:30 PM

Ronman said:
Does St Louis Really derseve a third Wooden Coaster and not Great America?

I don't know... maybe Great America was a bad boy this year and is getting a lump of coal in its stocking?

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Friday, September 14, 2007 6:38 PM
Mamoosh's avatar Great America has three...if you count Eagle as two [and many do!].
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Friday, September 14, 2007 7:56 PM
Six Flags needs to give tender lovin to SFOT, SFOG, and SFSTL since they are the only three to be built from the ground up.

yay!

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Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:06 AM
^ That is the dumbest reason a company could ever use to justify where capital expenditures go.
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Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:39 AM
Mamoosh's avatar True as that may be, the last few years pre-Shapiro weren't exactly a shining example of smart and prudent planning by Six Flags, lol ;)
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Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:35 PM
rollergator's avatar *IF* SFGAm were to get a new coaster (and this hurts me in more ways than one to say it).... Vekoma kiddie invert.

Honestly, it fills the biggest need there (in the already-too-limited view of a coasters-only philosophy).

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Monday, September 17, 2007 8:44 AM
Is it true that all of the Six Flags will be announcing their plans on the same day? And the day being Oct. 2, but moved up to September 27?
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