SFGAM's Future

Friday, August 9, 2002 6:34 AM

Well - Let's talk about this. Where will SFGAM place the new attraction next year. If it is a coaster (like we all think it is) where will they place it. On the Shockwave site? I think this is the only logical location. The only thing that concerns me is that the ride will get lost in the middle of nowhere. I think Orleans place needs to get the overhaul. Lets say they remove the whole queue house for Shockwave. Turn it into a walkway that leads to a new themed section to the park (aka Metropolis). This would be a great idea as a B&M flyer wouldn't take up nearly as much room as Shockwave did which may allow a new themed section.

Another issue the park should address is the issue about the Service road that goes behind the Condor & Ru Le Dodge and allows access to Shockwave. This access rode could be shifted which would draw the coaster/section closer to the park. I feel that is something that hindered Shockwave from the start. The ride was poorly place in my opinion. Like I said I just hope SFGAM doesn't screw this up and alienate the coaster, if thats what they put in, again like they did with Shockwave.

What do you think.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 7:15 AM

Agreed, the coaster should go at or near where (now SBNO) Shockwave sits. It's just too good of a location, being in view of all the incoming traffic, to pass up. Shockwave was quite a sight to see when we used to walk in from that supermarket parking lot up the way, and I think such a view gets guests excited early and is thus important to the park.

I have a problem with the horrendous lack of theming and scenery around Shockwave, and I assume just about anybody shares this opinion. I too really hope they don't make the same mistake twice and neglect what is as crucial to the ride as the track itself IMO.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 7:29 AM
They have room already, needing to demolish only one thing. Just build a small coaster (B:TR sized) where Power Dive and Cliffhanger stood. They would only need to remove the grill in Orleans Place, between the two ride sites. I've never seen that restaurant busy, anyways, and it has competition just on the other side of the railroad bridge with the pizza stand.
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Friday, August 9, 2002 7:31 AM

Keep the Orleans theming. We do NOT need another six flags park with superhero theming. The americana theming of great american makes it there best themed park. Now if they would only theme the Batman and V2 to the nantucket theme of Yankee Harbor.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 7:56 AM
Well, whatever they put in, I'm hoping it looks very impressive. Shockwave is the first thing people see when they enter the park. It's what grabs your attention and pulls you in. Six Flags better have a d*** impressive ride if it's going to be put there.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 8:04 AM

First off, SFGAm is not even CLOSE to being the best themed Six Flags Park. SFFT is leaps and bounds ahead of them (and this coming from an SFGAm 'fanboy').

Anyway, y'all want an insight into why Shockwave was placed where and how it was? Check out this TR ( http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/forums/cgi/forum1.cgi?read=103247 ). Sparky is as respected by me as being an "insider" as our own Agent Johnson (and based on their writing styles, I sometimes wonder if they are not one and the same...probably not)

jeremy

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Friday, August 9, 2002 8:09 AM
Well, it's kind of obvious if they remove a ride something's going there. Hopefully if they build a new ride it'll open before late May/ early June because my school's graduating class get's a trip there after passing the Constitution tests. It'd be disappointing to hear a lot of advertising for a new ride, get there, and see it not finished yet. Don't worry about room, visits to IB have taught me one thing, anything can go anywhere.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 1:16 PM
I read that trip report on a rec arts site and also found it very interesting!!
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Friday, August 9, 2002 1:39 PM

While something needs to be done to restore the vibranccy to that part of the park, I hope to God they build upon the Orleans Place theme and don't turn that part of the park into any WB movieland superhero showcase. Altho I fear it's about time for GAM to have some kind of coaster witht he name Superman in it. Ugh! The stores, restaurants, games in this area fit in very well with the existing theme. All it needs is a few more rides. Rue LeDodge and the Condor (and another basketball game) do not a popular area make.

SF did a good job of themeing when they built the Southwest Territory at GAm so there's reason for hope.

As for the future of GAm, when does it finally get it's waterpark? This seems like a wise investment considering that the closet WP is where? Rockford? The quickest way to increase attendance and market penetration, especially in the family market segment, is not by building a coaster. Build a waterpark.

But I'm glad it's gonna be a coaster!

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Friday, August 9, 2002 1:41 PM

Ya know...from the amount of land Shockwave sits on, its entirely possible that they could build a NEW section of the park called Gotham City [they don't already have one, do they?] so as to not infringe on the New Orleans theming.

Why don't we wait and see what they're up to before we get all worked up?

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Friday, August 9, 2002 1:52 PM

'Doosh - But isn't getting all worked up half the fun?

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Friday, August 9, 2002 2:19 PM

2Hostyl said:

First off, SFGAm is not even CLOSE to being the best themed Six Flags Park. SFFT is leaps and bounds ahead of them (and this coming from an SFGAm 'fanboy').

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Random Side Note: Although I have only visited 5 SF amusement parks in the US, SFGam not being one of them, I doubt that there will ever be a SF park in the US to surpass the theming that SFFT has.

Now, if Shockwave does take up the amount of room that I hear, maybe a new area will be made. Maybe a DC comics area is in the works? (If superman themed)

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Friday, August 9, 2002 3:37 PM

OK, regarding the Shock Wave site, here's my wishful thinking answer:

If a B&M Flyer is going in, I'd love to see them put it in the area where Power Dive is, let it spill out on to what is now the walkway. and... gut that entire Shock Wave area and turn it into new section of the park. far-fetched, huh?

Realistically, they'll probably do an even swap - Shockwave for new coaster. That entire area needs an overhaul so bad!! The only part of the Orleans area worth keeping the Roaring Rapids area. The games and stuff over there were recently expanded and look nice. The rest of the Orleans area looks old and run-down.

Regarding themes - SFGAm has not been to good about keeping up the original Marriotts themes. Look at Hometown Square - it's themed, but hasn't been updated in ages. Same for Orleans. I liked the nautical theming of Yankee Harbor prior to the Batman days... bits and pieces are there, but its kind of a hodgepodge now. Yukon looks really good, County Fair always did and still does. They went all out for SW Territory. So basically - the front of the park is old and dated with few new rides, the back is where all the action is. Come on SF - Fix up the front of the park!!!

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Friday, August 9, 2002 4:34 PM

I think they'll plop a coaster in there... If anyone needs a visual aid, check out X-Flight.

There's a parking-lot coaster done right. They put some grass and trees in there, and it looks pretty good. In fact, if we get a Superman: UF clone, it is of a like breed.

The more I think about it, the more it seems plausable to put a coaster where Power Dive once stood. Anyone else want to bring back Tidal Wave? :)

Give Shockwave's land to another coaster. On the amount of land it has, you can probably do quite a bit. Of course, this is the same deal that happened to Medusa at SFMW (parking lot coaster...) Maybe a floorless?

I'll put it this way. At this point I am more skeptical than ever that we are getting a FLYING coaster, but more assured that we are getting a COASTER. Of course, that could in fact be a flying coaster. I'm just out of touch.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 6:01 PM

tchnoguy said:

Regarding themes - SFGAm has not been to good about keeping up the original Marriotts themes. Look at Hometown Square - it's themed, but hasn't been updated in ages. Same for Orleans.

Wouldn't "updating" an area be destroying the original (Marriott) theming, not keeping it? I, for one, am happy Six Flags hasn't yet touched Hometown Square and Orleans Place. Now, I'll readily admitt that the theming in Orleans Place is weak (plop any random stranger down there and have him try to figure out the theme and I guarantee he never would). However, what's there currently is many thousand times better than any "Gotman City" or "Metropolis." Leave that crap for the newer parks, we want our original stuff to stay.

Southwest Territory is wonderful, but that was done while SF was under Time-Warner. Premier has done nothing but destroy theming since they came in, and, sadly, I don't have much hope for the rest of the park.

-Nate


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Friday, August 9, 2002 6:08 PM
When I said "updating", I meant that they havn't done a lot to keep the Hometown theme looking fresh. Instead they seem to be just letting the area sit. It's a shame Six Flags isn't more interested in theming - it really adds something to the experience.
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Friday, August 9, 2002 6:58 PM
I don't want Hometown Square to look fresh and new, I want it to look like the Hometown Square I've found myself in for the past 16 years....
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Friday, August 9, 2002 7:35 PM

coasterdude318 said:
"Southwest Territory is wonderful, but that was done while SF was under Time-Warner. Premier has done nothing but destroy theming since they came in, and, sadly, I don't have much hope for the rest of the park."

You make it seem as if Time-Warner (and even Marriott) didn't fudge the theming as well. Wassup with a "Shockwave" in Orleans Place? I wasnt aware that Louisiana sat on a fault line. Speaking of, I thought "Condors" were more likely to be found in mountainous regions rather than a river delta. How does a Space Shuttle fit in Carosuel Plaza? And under what guise do you stick an "Iron Wolf" or a "Demon" into a County Fair? If that really happend, I doubt your fair would have many visitors.

I guess I havent seen enough fall off in the park themeing wise under Premier. To me, the worse offense was when they removed the water curtain and the big honkin' snake from the tunnel on the raft ride formerly known as White Water Rampage! That is some theming that used to get *everyone*.
jeremy

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"To get into this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do

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Friday, August 9, 2002 10:20 PM
What are they gonna call this thing? SF has stooped lower than to put a Superman ride in Lousiana themed area, (Medusa mining company?!?) but I don't think they will do it again. I mean, If it were next to Batman, maybe they could call it some DC name, but I think they should actually theme it to its area. It doesn't really matter what the name is, but rather the theming. It will probably have minimal theming, but I at least hope they landscape it. Flying over a parking lot isn't the same as flying through terrain.

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Friday, August 9, 2002 11:46 PM

I-Nar said:

I think they'll plop a coaster in there... If anyone needs a visual aid, check out X-Flight.

There's a parking-lot coaster done right. They put some grass and trees in there, and it looks pretty good. In fact, if we get a Superman: UF clone, it is of a like breed.

The more I think about it, the more it seems plausable to put a coaster where Power Dive once stood. Anyone else want to bring back Tidal Wave?

Give Shockwave's land to another coaster. On the amount of land it has, you can probably do quite a bit. Of course, this is the same deal that happened to Medusa at SFMW (parking lot coaster...) Maybe a floorless?

I'll put it this way. At this point I am more skeptical than ever that we are getting a FLYING coaster, but more assured that we are getting a COASTER. Of course, that could in fact be a flying coaster. I'm just out of touch.



Replace a 7 loop 170 foot tall coaster with a double looping 100 foot tall coaster. You gotta to be kidding me. Also, who is passing around rumors that the ride is gonna be melted down? It may be closed down to start construction of interlocking this coaster with another one. It could be in the process of being moved to another park, This is a 170 foot tall mega looper SF knows that they could or will be better off moving it and annoucing it for another SF Park. I don't care if you noisy people are complaning about all the rides becasue they're not all B&Ms. Heck you complain about B&M being too rough. If you don't like rough rides then don't ride any coasters at all. Also don't ride in a car to a park becasue in some cases it is a very rough ride.

This is my 2 cents about it.

Compare the stats

Superman SFOG http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail1568.htm

Shockwave SFGAm http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail4.htm

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