Save Cedar Point

Intamin you consistantly miss the point here. You can't deny that there are less trees and such in the park, but it is not advertised as a place to come relax in the peacefulness of nature, its a thrill park through and through. If you can come up with a good way to install a 420' tower with a huge accel/decel loop beside it in a way that preserves more of the look and feel of an area than CP did with TTD, more power to you, but I can almost guarentee your idea would cost even more than what the current scheme already did, therefore making it unfeasible.
If you want shade, trees and nature, go someplace else. Give me the concrete paradise with high speed, high thrill rides. That's what I expect from Cedar Point and that's what 90% of the GP expects from Cedar Point. If you're that obcessed with trees, go someplace else. Stop faulting places, rides,etc. for aspects they never claimed to have! *** Edited 11/19/2003 5:49:10 PM UTC by Impulse-ive***

Impulse-ive if anybody is missing the point its you. I never said dont build roller coasters. Cedar point should keep building as many roller coasters as possible. The point of this thread os not to say that cedar point sucks. Cedar point is my favorite place in the world, and it has always been unique. The point of the thread is that somethings at CP would be sadly missed if CP were to just tear down all the landscape, cover it with cement, and build a coaster. CP should try and incorporate there landscape into the rides more. The only ride that they truly did a good job on this with was Millenium Force.

The thread is also about what parts of the park you would actually choose to not have a coaster in. And what parts of the park that were replaced by a coaster you miss the most. CP can put coasters in with out having to totally teear down everything neer it. TTD is the most thrilling thing I have ever been on. I just wish that it wasnt on top of what use to be my favorite part of the park.

Impulse-ive, if you cover the whole park with cement all you would have is parking lots rides. And I dont know anybody who rather have a coaster in the middle of a parking lot, or the same coaster surrounded by trees and incoprating its surroundings.

And Cedar Point advertises itself as a family park. The big coasters bring in the coaster junkies, but CP's atmoshphere is one of the reasons that it is voted the best park in the world. ANd the general public expect a place other thatn just thrill rides. they expect the park to be charming and to have great places to sit, eat, relax, shop, and enjoy themselves. People dont expect just a concreate jungle with rides. THats not unique at all, an uniquness is what CP prides itself on.

CP's landscape and surroundings are what make the place cedar point, and not just another six flags.

If you honestly think that cedar point would be just as good if they tore down the landscape

To me park atmosphere isn't coasters.

Atmosphere is that section of park that isn't a amusement park such as Frontier village at CP or Paddlewheel Excursions. IMHO both those sections have lost their charm.

You also used to be able to get grilled corn on the cob and quarter chickens grilled before MF. That was a highlight.

Coasters are great and are the main reason thrill seekers go. There is no problem with that. The problem is they are removing the little things that COUNT

I don't care what the scenery looks like! I go to CP to ride coasters. Who cares if the scenery is beautiful or not.

I'm not clear on how Frontier Town and the Frontier Trail have "lost their charm" when the only changes in many years is the Millennium Force tunnel. In my opinion the effect has been minimal, especially now that the trees around the tunnel have had a few years to grow up a little.

I still go to Red Garter, The Candle Shoppe, Town Hall Museum, etc., ever year. Little has changed.

I still think there charm is still there too, but its in jeprody. A big coaster in the heart of frontier trail would totally ruin it. Frotier trail always has that sucluded feeling and that would be lost with the addition of a coaster.

I dont think MF hurt the trail very much because the entrance was right at the begging and didnt really affect the trail very much accept for the tunnel which i believe is pretty nice.

Also I hate all the talk about removing antique cars. A coaster would ruin the feal FT has. It would not be frontierish. TO build it all the trees that make that area special would be gone.

Both these area are in jeprody. If CP does choose to put major rides in one of these areas I hope they do it in a way that would preserve the atmoshpher, and the feel of those areas.

I think that the Millenium Force tunnel effectively seperates the Frontier trail from the area by Millenium Force. The tunnel almost acts like a "timewarp" of sorts. Sure there are downfalls but there upshots to for every addition the park makes.

If I wanted to see scenery, I think I'd save myself some money and go to a national park to get 10 times the scenery you'll ever find at the point. Trees and squirrels are nice, but believe it or not, CP's draw is the big, noisy rides. CF is a business and they want to make as much money as possible, and I think that if you compare their earnings with some nature park CP probably has them beat. CP wins its best park awards because of its rides, not because of its tree count. Besides, go ride Mean Streak and look out over the park, you'll find yourself plenty of trees.

I think they should do more with the area around Power Tower, there is a lot of open space.

I'm thankful that people took pictures of the park's past like this one: http://www.coasterbuzz.com/rollercoasterphoto.htm?i=372

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mantis man said:
If I wanted to see scenery, I think I'd save myself some money and go to a national park to get 10 times the scenery you'll ever find at the point. CP wins its best park awards because of its rides, not because of its tree count.

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Not true. "Best park" means just that - the best park as a whole. Notice the award is not called "best rides." There's more to the award than just rides (ie operations, food, and yes, landscaping).

What's funny to me is that those who decided to take the "trees aren't important, give me rides!!!" viewpoint would be some of the first to complain about rides just randomly thrown together in a grass field, like SFKK. Indeed, trees and landscaping *are* important.

-Nate

Every park (while most of them) has there own good qualities and differences. You could call this the parks "personality." Cedar Point's personality just seems to be maintly extreme rides at this time.

Although I do wish they had some of the old characteristics, but you can't really have everything. Its either keep the old stuff or get somethin new.

Overall I wish that Cedar Point would leave some parts of the park the way it is (like maybe the Frontier Trail) and expand the other parts of the park. Some spots i wish could be left the same while at the same time I would be glad to see something new in that spot. I also wish that Cedar Point would start cramming things in and not get rid of older attractions and scenary like some other parks do (Black Pool Pleasure Beach for example) They can start "cramming 10 poinds of crap in a 5 pound bag."

While I have visited Cedar Point every year since I was a kid it seems the park has continually "opened" itself with each new addition. I think trees add to the ambiance of a park. The wide, expansive Main Midway literally bakes you in the summer.

I agree that Frontier Trail needs to be left alone. Millennium Force didn't totally ruin the atmosphere through there as it only takes up a small portion of it. I also believe that CP can add new attractions to Frontier Town without ruining it, even if it means removing some beloved attractions.

X Factor

"My" Cedar Point ceased to exist in 1975 when the Corkscrew was installed along wiht the "new" midway. It was also the first year that George Roose and Emil Legross weren't at the helm. It's also when I left their employ, knowing that it would never be the same. While some may thrill to what it has become, to me it has lost a great deal of it's charm over the years in the name of bigger and faster. Lately the only time I have been there has been in the off season on business. I pretty much have given up going there in season, it's just too painfull.

If you think that CP's scenery had a lot to do with its Amusement Today award for "best park", read this from their site "Cedar Point's huge assortment of rides, resort accommodations, and record-breaking roller coasters easily rated as Best Amusement Park in the 2003 survey." (found in the GT editorial.) Scenery is nice, but it isn't close to being the deciding factor on which park is better than another. There are tons of parks with better scenery than CP, but they bring in the people and awards because of the big, tree-killing rides.

Edit: Stupid hyperlinks.... *** Edited 11/28/2003 4:46:50 AM UTC by mantis man*** *** Edited 11/28/2003 4:48:25 AM UTC by mantis man***

\/ : When's the last time you saw a 420 foot, 120 mph ride at your state fair? *** Edited 11/29/2003 3:24:44 PM UTC by mantis man***

I beg to differ, but scenery does make a difference. It adds to the atmosphere, the total experience of going to a park. Take the same compliment of rides and set them up on a parking lot. What do you have? Most people would say you would have a carnival. A state fair quality midway, but a carnival none the less. The setting has everything to do with the ambiance of the park.

Yes the hotels, the campground and water park add to the whole resort experience, but think how much the setting also adds to it.

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mantis man said:
If you think that CP's scenery had a lot to do with its Amusement Today award for "best park", read this from their site "Cedar Point's huge assortment of rides, resort accommodations, and record-breaking roller coasters easily rated as Best Amusement Park in the 2003 survey."

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It's called marketing. Do you really think the park would advertise trees on their site and expect people to get excited about it?

-Nate

I think Frontier Trail is perfect. With MF popping in and out of the trees for a bit. Its exciting. You cant see the whole coaster and its neat to see it go buy so close. The midway in the front of the park is rather lame and needs some trees. As you head to the back of the park there is more and thats why I like the back of the Park more. CP should add some PALM trees to the beach front and make it more tropical. Adding Palm trees could act as theming and everyone wins. As for the main midway, I'd like to see some big Willows in the center gardens!

Crashmando,

Trachycarpus fortunei (the standard "Palm Tree") and its' bretheren are not hardy enough to withstand the cold and harsh winters along the shores of lake Erie. That region is a 5a and palms are not able to fully withstand the winters outside of Zone 6b (and even there they require extra special protection on cold days).

That is why they are called _tropical_ plants...they like warm wet weather all year round. *** Edited 12/1/2003 3:08:54 PM UTC by redman822***

Living in the tropics of Singapore, I'm already sick of palm trees everywhere, but on a more important note, I doubt that the palm trees would survive through the Ohio winter. Also, on the whole scenery thing, I've always avoided those little carnivals in parking lots because they look so gosh darn unappealing. Scenery does make a big difference. If I was driving to the Point and instead of coasters popping out over the trees, it was all a large concrete lot, I would probably turn around and go home. Looks help define a park. I'm sure they could have done a better scenery job around Dragster, but the thing cost $25 million already, and although scenery wouldn't have cost much compared to that, I think getting the thing up and running this year was their main priority. I'll bet that they add some more scenery and spruce up the park in the coming year, and hopefully add something to the Dragster line, how I hate that concreteness of that queue. Although adding Dragster to the midway adds a little bit of clutter, I think that Cedar Point has kept up a decent atmoshere and scenery for the past seven or eight years at least.