Ron Toomer

I believe he meant a loop exactly 30 feet from the ground.

He doesn't know what he means.

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It's like a Whirlwind inside of my head!

The loop itself may start 30 feet above the ground, but it starts entering th eloop at ground level. On shockwave the loop was raised probably 60 feet above the ground.

I'm not taking a side because don't really agree with either.

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All who think Mean Streak needs a match taken to it say I.

Phil, I am just using his logic, B and M really isn't lazy.

Shockwave's first loop started at ground level as well it just went up 60 feet instead of the 30 on Chang there.

I don't really care that it does just using Nate's (lack of) knowledge.

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It's like a Whirlwind inside of my head!

Okay, what the hell are you talking about?? Take a look here; that loop *clearly* starts on the ground and ends on the ground. Honestly, who has a lack of knowledge? The bottom of *any* loop (referring specifically to the point where the two pieces of track pass side by side) *must* be off the ground, unless you're creating a loop that is perfectly circular. Compare that loop with the two loops in the center here. They start 60' off the ground and end 60' off the ground (loops on stilts). That's a far cry from Chang's (which actually begins and ends on the ground).

And ClarkChavez, if you can't find anything relevant in this thread to back up what I originally said, then it's time to put on your glasses.

-Nate