A moratorium by any other name...well, you all know the rest. With that said, this value-deversify-balance-pendulum theory of his does make sense.
"We have 17 roller coasters at Six Flags Magic Mountain--that's too many."
"I think that Six Flags, overall, is still undervalued...We offer ten hours of entertainment for $39.99 per person at The Great Escape. How much does it cost to go to the movies these days? I think part of the problem is that Six Flags became the discount kings. They devalued the parks and the industry."
I still can't help but like what I'm hearing.
Its not the size of your lift hill that counts ...Its the quality of your ride!!
And it's easy to look back at SFMM and think they have too many coasters. But what they have achieved is now that the coasters serve as a core backbone of the park, and now the park can continue to expand into other styles of attractions without having a massive attendance loss. He talks about ROI frequently, but what time frame does he use? 1 yr? 2 yr? 3 months? If he really understood what Disney does, high upfront cost but the rides typically last decades, so traditional thinking should not apply. *** Edited 2/27/2006 9:54:51 PM UTC by DBJ***
Cedar point has a good balance of coasters and rides, but even they need a little more variety, but it's happening.
Anticipating the conversation between the Guinness people and whoever's in charge at SFMM by then, i.e., at Tatsu's completion ("Is Del Holland gone yet?").
"But SFMM should count as two since it has two tracks, same for Colossus".
"So, let's let you count those, now you're still only back to 14, and now CP gets an extra one for Gemini"....ROFL! :)
Good stuff. I hope it works.
To being an "us" for once - instead of a "them".
I've ridden it. Many, many times in fact. Anyone wanna guess how that was possible? ;)
Except there are not 17 coasters at SFMM. There are 15 operational coasters (Flashback is SBNO). One of those is Goliath Jr., which excludes about 99% of SFMM audience and is a really poor ride for even kids. Also, Canyon Blaster is another jr. kids coaster, as is Goldrusher. So really, there are only 12/13 (Ninja is debatable as a jr. coaster) coasters (after Tatsu)that appeal to those dreaded teens & thrill seekers. Of those Collosuss and Superman run at 1/2 capacity at all times, and Psyclone has fallen into "painful" category. So that leaves 9 coaster choices where guests can expect a decent ride.
You also forgot to exclude Goliath from the park's coaster count because its track length is too short given the height and we all know this is unacceptable so its not a roller coaster; and also Colossus doesn't count either because it's really old; and also Psyclone doesn't count because nobody really likes it so it excludes about 90% of the audience; and while I'm at it X also doesn't count because it just doesn't look like a roller coaster -- oh and I totally forgot Revolution its track style is really outdated and it has one loop so it shouldn't be counted as a roller coaster either. So I guess that leaves us with...7 roller coasters at Magic Mountain! And to think Shapiro would falsely claim Magic Mountain has 17 coasters. That Mark is a silly billy!
And it's easy to look back at SFMM and think they have too many coasters. But what they have achieved is now that the coasters serve as a core backbone of the park, and now the park can continue to expand into other styles of attractions without having a massive attendance loss.
Shapiro always has great analogies. One of my favorites was when he compared Six Flags' coaster building spree as a drug addiction. When you build a coaster year after year, the parks become more and more dependant on a new coaster to maintain attendance or to even see an increase. You have to continually build more and more to receive the same response from the local market.
EDIT: spelling *** Edited 2/28/2006 2:28:39 AM UTC by kRaXLeRidAh***
If you spent twelve hours going to the movies and figure you saw six, two hour movies in that time span.. that would add up to 54.00 plus tax at nine dollars a movie. And all you'd have done is sit in front of a movie screen all day. Fun!
Or.. perhaps you wanted to drop your hard earned money on a seat to a Billy Joel concert? or to a Broadway show? or to a Professional sports game? or to your state fair? Oh wait.. you most likely wouldn't be spending your money there either, as they all cost MUCH more than a day's admission to a Six Flags park AND they last a much shorter span of time than a full day's admission to Six Flags!
There is no way an adult has ridden Goliath Jr., it's physically not possible.
I've ridden it. Many, many times in fact. Anyone wanna guess how that was possible?
I know........ ;)
The Flying Turns makes all the right people wet - Gonch
You'll never hear me whine about prices. If I don't feel something is worth it I simply won't go. For the most part, prices would have to be pretty darn high to keep me from enjoying a day at a theme park.
That's about $600 total. For ONE PARK! And yet I still feel I'm getting an outstanding value for my money.
In the last years few years I've made the trip to Knoebels twice. That's still more than I visited SFMM which is 40 miles down the road and infinitely less money spent for me to visit.
What the hell?? SF has become the price gougers of the industry. Just because a few of their parks have stupid prices at the gate, that does not change the fact that you have to pay 13 bucks for a lousy meal after you pay 15 bucks to park. All over these boards people have been complaining about what SF charges and saying that parks like HW have the right model, but now that there is a new leader everyone falls in line.
And for those of you talking about how 60 dollar tickets are reasonable, keep in mind they are trying to appeal more to families who have to buy more than one. We are not talking about single enthusiasts that have a large disposible income because they don't have dependants and who only have to buy one ticket. I think CP had the better idea on how to price for the family. *** Edited 2/28/2006 4:41:22 AM UTC by RavenTTD***
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