Problems with B&M
Antuan said:
"See that is my only gripe. They could have easily put two stations, like Millennium force"
If a park is willing to pay them for two stations, they will put in two stations.
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Cameron Silver
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Antuan said:
"The MCBR in my opinion does ruin the ride, and plus if the blocks are clear why does the brake catch anyway?"
I would not go so far as to say that MCBRs *automatically* ruin rides, but I *do* find that a frenzied paced ride is more to my liking.
But the reasons that the brakes catch regardless is that the ride elements were designed to be able to be taken from a *dead stop* and still make it back to the station. Consequently, taking that section at a much higher speed will alter the *feel* of the ride and possibly push forces outside of the rides designed "envelope". So they slow the train down some to make sure that the forces remain consistant with the spec.
Now, the real *trick* is to design the MCBR such that very little if any speed needs to be bled off via a brake. That is, design the thing so that it naturally slows in that area. For a good example of this, IMO, see Kraken (the world's most perfectly engineered coaster, again IMO)
jeremy
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So your ride is decent...even if it is too close to NYC (sorry, I had too )
what does that mean? whats wrong with it being too close NYC? I dont want to be mean but was that another jealous comment towards New Yorkers?
anyways, I dont think BM has any problems at all. Theyre rides work near perfectly a majority of the time and they are a pleasure to ride. SO they made a few coasters that arent as intense as Batman and as Air filled as AC. Im sure its not thier fault, parks order the rides they want as far as I know, and they make them.(im sure that has been mentioned a million times.)
Its could be that the industry is changing a little after all the accident reports and Ed Markey stuff goin on. That might have somethin to do with the lack of intensity. Look at NJ with the g-force limit -even though it is not that bad.
personally i think that fire dragon is as close to perfect a coaster can get. no dead spots, intensity, dueling aspect, best line ever, two stations, air conitioned line. if you look at every aspect of dueling dragons or fire dragon, nothing can top it. on a non busy day the only time you have to leave indoors is when your on the coaster. tell me thats not amazing. especially since its 35 degrees outside. take all those aspects away from it and it still is the best coaster ever.
batman knight flight has two minor minor flaws and it is also perfect. i find no dead spots besides th little bit of track before the brake and how you get the bit of air off the trim and you go aloong the track for a split second then you hit the corkskrew. bring the corkskrew a bit closer so its like one motion and fix the other and its the most reridable coaster out there.
4 seats across or 2 seats across. its all good. i can dig both.
wouldnt it be great if a park put an intamin hyper and a B&M hyper in, telling them to make it the best of their abilitys, and you could see which coaster get more people and which gets more re rides, etc. cause the general public have diff views then enthusiasts.
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1.Fire Dragon 2.Ice Dragon 3.Raptor 4.Batman Knight Flight 5.Kraken
2Hostyl said:
Consequently, taking that section at a much higher speed will alter the *feel* of the ride and possibly push forces outside of the rides designed "envelope". So they slow the train down some to make sure that the forces remain consistant with the spec.
I see your point Hostyl and I can understand how this would help for their loopers and Bull. But Nitro only has 3 hops after the mcbr. Taking them with the speed coming out of the helix wouldn't cause dangerous vertical g's. IMHO. And that is where SROS beats Nitro
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God is Good!
I bash B&M for being a little boring, mainly Medusa,but arguing over this is so stupid. B&M revolutionized the industry with amazing ideas and helped parks by delivering high capacity and amazingly smooth rides. I'm gonna forget all the bad things you and I come up with and right now I'm pumped about riding Talon, Medusa, Nitro, and Batman the Ride in 2 weeks because these rides are amazing smooth, fun, intense, and exhilerating. So instead of bashing this company, go ride your nearest one to remind yourself of how great these rides are.
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1.Fire Dragon 2.Ice Dragon 3.Raptor 4.Batman Knight Flight 5.Kraken
BullGuy said:
Before saying B&M isn't in the same league as other firms that make "hypers", ride all of the stateside 200 footers. (they're not that spread out). Raging Bull has the most unique layout of any "hyper" in the country. People put it down for trims, but it's not exactly filled to the brim with them either. Nitro is just an out 'n back, same with Apollo. If B&M could only produce a few more twisters in more convinient locations (aka Ohio) B&M would be right up there with Intamin. The problem is people aren't getting the chance to try them out. What does an Intamin or Morgan 200 footer have that a B&M does not? You mentioned a wide variety of emotions that people show on Intamin coasters, but I invite you to Apollo's Chariot or Raging Bull and everyone young and old come off with a big smile on their face and almost always say "That was the best". Granted, they probably didn't get to ride Superman: SFNE but you get the point.
As for 4-Across seating, it's a part of B&M, has been since Z-Force, and will be. It's just like their signiture track, it won't change. I don't see a problem with that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Besides, it's really nice to enter a long line only to see it move fast thanks in part to B&M's excellent capacity. Their trains don't look too shabby either...
*** This post was edited by BullGuy on 7/16/2002. ***
Are you serious. Raging Bull has the Most Unique layout of any hyper in the country???? Are you forgetting X, or S:ROS SFNE?
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Ride It said:
"what does that mean? whats wrong with it being too close NYC? I dont want to be mean but was that another jealous comment towards New Yorkers?"
First off, I could never be jealous of New York. I dont own it, I dont onw any feeling os love towards it. I *could* however be envious of NYC but that is not it either.
No for me, it's simple hatred. I hate NYC and everything associated with it. Everyone that I have met from that area in person has only made that hatred stronger. I used to simply just be annoyed by it, but now it really has illicited an emotional respone from me. I've yet to discover what is so great in NYC that drives people that I have met from there to believe that there is no place better and almost that no other place should be mentioned in the same sentence. Hey if y'all (i.e. them) like it so much in NYC, take yer ass back there! You wont see me there too often.
Anyway, SGRho knows I have this *quirk* in my personallity so the statement was just harmless ribbing :)
To Antuan:
You've got a point there with NITRO. The honest answer is "I dont know" (covered now in green slime). The only good guesses that I have are that they want the rides to be consistant as possible or it helps them maintain their dispatch intervals....
lata,
jeremy
--who may one day seek counsel for "anger management"
2hostyl, if you bash NY, you bash me and everyone in it and what you just typed i take very personally.
if you dont like it here, stay in sticks where you are, and by the way you expressed yourself, belong.
back to BM - drachenfire said:
I bash B&M for being a little boring, mainly Medusa,but arguing over this is so stupid. B&M revolutionized the industry with amazing ideas and helped parks by delivering high capacity and amazingly smooth rides. I'm gonna forget all the bad things you and I come up with and right now I'm pumped about riding Talon, Medusa, Nitro, and Batman the Ride in 2 weeks because these rides are amazing smooth, fun, intense, and exhilerating. So instead of bashing this company, go ride your nearest one to remind yourself of how great these rides are.i agree drachenfire, right on.
2Hostyl said:
I hate NYC and everything associated with it. Everyone that I have met from that area in person has only made that hatred stronger
Dag!!!! that NYC girl must have really messed you up bwoy. But there are 9 million people in this city and I'm sure I am one of the 8,999,998 nice ones. Sorry you feel that way, but back to the the subject. I really don't care for the brakes at all. That is the reason I'll take BTR over raptor anyday. Nonstop intensity, while raptor just meandersthrough the course
What brakes on Raptor? The midcourse brakes don't even affect the train as long as you're not there on a Saturday (cause then Mantis, Raptor, Gemini and Weak Streak all practically stop at their mid-course brakes ... gotta lower the intensity when there are more GPs around ... )
And I think bashing B&M for lack of innovation is pointless - Magnum is totally un-innovative, as is Millennium and both are great rides. You don't need the latest new-fangled gadget to make a great ride (and yes, I know the two I picked out aren't B&Ms ... )
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I would have to agree with Jeremy, even though this isn't really on topic. I can not stand the city of New York. I think it is a very ugly city, there is no architectual excitement, and evey time I have been there, New York lives up to the sterotype: For the most part, the people that live there, suck.
I could go into specific details. I'm not going to, I just find other US cities that have surpassed NYC. NYC used to be the city that greets all foreigners (ellis island) but that is all the creadibility that I'm going to give it.
You can tell me to go back to the sticks, okay. I live in Chicago, if these are the sticks--I love the boonies!
Sorry this is off topic, but I would like to back Jeremy. Thanks
nick smith
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...thinking that my main problem with Beemers is the trains.....If I understand the mechanics of the rides correctly, (Dave?) the springs that keep the upstops and road wheels together on the tracks are too "tight" for my liking, I'd prefer to let the trains run a little more FREE to catch the good air, and to run closer to the tracks where there's positive G's....kinda like those AWESOME I-trains that I love so much....
But, that being said, they don't build parks and rides for me/us, they build them for the majority of the people, and not everyone likes them as INTENSE as I do....(but you guys do)...:)
cough - spoiled - cough..
Seriously, everyone can find something to gripe about. I would kill to have a Beemer at my homepark, PCW.
The truth is B&M coasters are thrilling and fun. Arguably the best company out there (I prefer INTAMIN ;)) just look at the golden ticket awards. A lot of Beemers apear on that list for a reason. They must be doing something right.
Imagine if B&M didn't exist in the industry? that would be a very bad thing. When I visit a new park with a couple of Beemers, I don't get too excited about them because I know that they will be good, and I know pretty much what to expect. B&M coasters have come to be the dependable thrill-rides that you can always expect to be good. What's wrong with that? B&M provide thrills consistently.
As far as the 4 across seating goes, what's wrong with added capacity? 4 across seating is something I love about 'em.
So bash a company that doesn't deliver consistent 'thrill-guaranteed' coasters.
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never said I wasn't spoiled....;).
But try living in FL for about 15-20 years, and you will also find that B&M is too pervasive here.....I love their reliability, capacity, restraint systems, ease of operations, reliability (hey, it's important enough to mention twice). Beemers are all that they claim to be, and more....
but, being a THRILL-seeker, I'll say that I like the Intamin trains WAY better....
bashing? Heck no....but critiquing, why not......nobody's perfect....YET!
OK, I am now convinced that some Chicagoans have a complex against NYC. And thats ok cause being New Yorkers, we don't give a s#$% :)
SGRho: Suprisingly enough, it wasnt a girl. The dudes from NYC that I have personally met are infinitely more annoying. It suprises me that so many of them have migrated away from NYC while at the same time exclaiming its virtues. If it was so great why did YOU leave? (I've never gotten a good answer on that one..:))
Antuan: I think you are right on that. And none of you NYCers should care. The "haterade" I've been drinking is *fully* an MP (as I said above). I think some of the initial resentment comes from Chi being dubbed the "Second City". Who decided NYC was first? But back then the only thing NYC I hated were the Mets (sorry TalonJo...I grew up a Cubs fan :)). Wasnt til I started meeting people than it took a drastic downturn...
But before I single-handedly get this topic closed (damn people from the "sticks" always messing something up...) let me say that while not "flawless" B&M over the last twelve years have been THE most consistant and reliable steel coaster company around.
lata,
jeremy aka 2Hostyl, 2Hershey and 2Haterish
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