Problems with B&M

Monday, July 15, 2002 8:42 PM

There was another topic regarding the downfall of B&M but it was getting too long so I invented another one.

Gripes about B&M:

Get rid of the four across seating. This train design takes much away from the ride,IMO. How can somebody really enjoy the ride when they have people sitting on both sides of them? Maybe if they are afraid of heights, but if that's the case, then stay on the ground.

Stick to making coasters that have inversions. Although I've ridden several of their loopers and never had a bad ride, I've also ridden Nitro and was very disappointed. Maybe it was the four across seating but Nitro didn't feel even close to 230 feet high. I compare this ride to S:ROS and Superman feels higher, probably because of the intamacy of two across seating. Nitro isn't even thrilling. For proof, look at the reaction of the riders at the brake run. There is none. Now look at the reaction of the riders at the brake run for S:ROS. People screaming, crying and shaking. My girlfriend was so scared when she got off S:ROS this weekend that she could barely walk. If that isn't thrilling then I don't know what is. Nitro didn't deliver.

If Nitro must keep their four across seating then maybe try a floorless hyper. That could be fun.

This isn't a total bash on B&M (I love their loopers more than any company) but they don't compare to the other companies that make hypers.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 8:52 PM

Before saying B&M isn't in the same league as other firms that make "hypers", ride all of the stateside 200 footers. (they're not that spread out). Raging Bull has the most unique layout of any "hyper" in the country. People put it down for trims, but it's not exactly filled to the brim with them either. Nitro is just an out 'n back, same with Apollo. If B&M could only produce a few more twisters in more convinient locations (aka Ohio) B&M would be right up there with Intamin. The problem is people aren't getting the chance to try them out. What does an Intamin or Morgan 200 footer have that a B&M does not? You mentioned a wide variety of emotions that people show on Intamin coasters, but I invite you to Apollo's Chariot or Raging Bull and everyone young and old come off with a big smile on their face and almost always say "That was the best". Granted, they probably didn't get to ride Superman: SFNE but you get the point.

As for 4-Across seating, it's a part of B&M, has been since Z-Force, and will be. It's just like their signiture track, it won't change. I don't see a problem with that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Besides, it's really nice to enter a long line only to see it move fast thanks in part to B&M's excellent capacity. Their trains don't look too shabby either...

*** This post was edited by BullGuy on 7/16/2002. ***

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Monday, July 15, 2002 8:55 PM
Thats your opinion about the seats which means absolutely zero to the parks. I go to parks all the time with people who aren't enthusiasts. No one cares about sitting in the middle, and which doesn't come as a surprise their favorite rides are always B&M's. Why? Because, "Wow that ride was really smooth and comfortable. That was so much for fun than riding in that ride with those tiny cramped seats and places where my head bangs around." As for your Nitro reactions, when I was there last July, it was the exact opposite. People were cheering and laughing after every ride.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:15 PM
Actually, I forgot to put this in my above post...The four across seating actually reduces capacity. Has anyone ever seen a B&M train leave the station completely full? Well this is a sarcastic question but we get the point.
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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:17 PM

IOArules, you live in the land of B&M so it is expected to read your comments. Even your email address is a B&M coaster.

Come to New England some day for the ride of your life.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:27 PM

I have no problem with sitting in the middle, well, except with Inverts for obvious reasons other than the front. Oh, they carry twice as many people up front! Try beat that. I love it when a couple or threesome get on any Beemer & I grab an empty seat. Only if they made single row Inverted trains. :)

There aren't any in my country, so why don't you get over it mate?

Please don't start with Oblivion/G5. ;) I keep wondering if B&M will build a gargantuan 'mass-transit' coaster, say 16 rows of 8 across. How's that for capacity? It'd be a ride op's nightmare though. :)

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:46 PM
the 4 seats also allow more people per hour than the 2 seats
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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:51 PM

Exthrills: Not really. Both the S:RoS SFNE and the Nitro trains carry 36 people. The intamin trains are a little harder to check because they are longer, and because they have both seatbelt and lap bar, but the capacity of both rides is pretty near equal.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:52 PM

B&M is not going down. I hope B&M read these topics and see what morons started this topic.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:47 AM
These topics are FUNNY!!! I want to see more B&M HATERS! This was I'll take you spot in line!

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:08 AM

Vassk said:
Actually, I forgot to put this in my above post...The four across seating actually reduces capacity. Has anyone ever seen a B&M train leave the station completely full? Well this is a sarcastic question but we get the point.

You obviously haven't been to Cedar Point or SFWoA on a busy day where the B&Ms leave with maybe one or two empty seats all the time - those empty seats are more because groups of 3 can actually ride together on a B&M as opposed to any other ride where if you have 3 someone has to ride by themselves which sucks.

The only B&M hyper I've ridden is Apollo's Chariot but that ride was great - twisting hills, and lots of them! Intamin rides are exciting sure, but for complexity of layout and seating? Give me a B&M any day.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:17 AM

Well Vassk, no one is forcing you to ride B&Ms. Just means one less person in line.

And I love the fact that you say there is no reaction when people get off of NITRO. Well, that is definitely not true. I have been around that ride a lot, and let me tell you, i haven't seen anyone come off disappointed. WHY? Because the GP is getting the thrills they need. That ride was built with them in mind, giving the GP a new type of thrills. Not giving the coaster enthusiasts the perfect ride.

And i have no idea how you can say it reduces capacity. It carries the same number of people as an Intamin. How many times have you seen an Intamin train go out with empty seats because people want to ride with people in a another row. On a B&M, all four of those people can be in one row, and get on the same train, not taking up 2 different rows. I have never waited longer than 15 minutes for NITRO with a three train operation. That ride is a people mover.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:30 AM

When it's busy enough, all the B&M coasters at IOA and BGT go out full. What are you talking about???

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:39 AM

I also like two across seating better, but I really do not mind teh four across. I think the reason that people on Nitro may seem less enthusiastic than people on Superman (SFA) is because Superman has a rediculous ending. Personally, I found Nitro to have a lackluster run of bunny hops in comparison. However, Nitro is still a very good ride.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:55 AM
blah blah trolling blah trolling blah blah troll troll blah.
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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:57 AM
Nitro kicks ass. Period. Awesome coaster.

4-across seating? Love it. Why? Cuz you can do an on-ride photo with four of your friends in a row and spell out "Y M C A" :)

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:14 AM

I'm not even going to touch that bad stereotype... ;)

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:32 AM
Suuuuuure Jeff ;)

Sad part is.... I ain't jokin' :)


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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:37 AM
I've often thought of this, you all call Apollo a hyper, but tell me something: How tall does a hyper have to be? How tall is Apollo? Ok. In case you haven't noticed, a hyper is 200 feet or taller right? Apollo is 170 feet. Therfore, it isn't a hyper, it is just a nonlooping speed coaster. :-)

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:51 AM

I think anyone who consumes portions of their day trying to make a case for such an argument needs another hobby. The ride has a 210-foot drop. It's good enough for me.

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