Problems with B&M

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:04 AM

Still, the question remains. Who do you want to make your loopers? The only modern companies that do that are B&M, Vekoma and Intamin.

Vekoma is in trouble, Intamin has made mostly foreign loopers, and B&M is the last option.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with B&M, and I'm convinced that people with so much of a problem with their rides are just bitter that they can't ride more.

Or something...

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:27 AM

Don't complain, if 200 ft.+ isnt good enough for you, then I don't know what is. Frankly, any ride over 100 feet seems high to me.

I-Nar, I really wouldn't mind a Vekoma looper, if they ever figured out how to keep their rides smooth after 2 years. Intamin is a huge company, they make a ton of rides, a looper in the United States isn't out of the question. And B&M, well, they just need to keep doing what they are doing because they are doing a great job.

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:54 AM

My only complaint with the 4 accross seating, is if you are at the park as a couple (2 people), when you get your picture taken on the ride, there are 2 strangers in your picture with you. Other than that, I LOVE the 4 across seating. It's great when you visit the park with an odd number of people. Riding in pairs doesn't always work out.

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Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf
Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:06 AM
You guys mentioned B&M, Vekoma, and Intamin, but also don't forget about the impact Premier has already made with their launched loopers. They seem to give good thrills for a more reasonable price than B&M, but are not as rough as Vekoma's.

-Frank Oldwoman
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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:14 AM

I-Nar said:
"Still, the question remains. Who do you want to make your loopers? The only modern companies that do that are B&M, Vekoma and Intamin."

Oh just SCREW Premier huh? There are some wicked minds out there in Maryland. Dont sleep on them!

Anyway, to the original (on crack) poster, have you ever stopped to think that people ride coasters BECAUSE they are scared? EVERY program that talks about "why" people ride mentions that. Hell, the day I stop being scared of coasters is the day I stop riding.

4-Across seating makes no difference. I personally rarely ride in the middle seats because I'm usually with people who *gasp* PREFER the inside seats!

As for the ride of NITRO, I wasnt very impressed by it either. But I was equally (actually more)unimpressed with the 2-across Titan. Not because of any seating arrangement, I just thought the rides were unispired. Apollo's Chariot and Millennium Force are about equal in my eyes. AC has WAY more float moments but Millie has those cool turns. S:ROS @ SFA has the most intense moments of ejections, but Raging Bull has the best overall package with air, turns, and NO DEAD TRACK.

IMO, saying you prefer S:ROS over NITRO is not saying much (I even put the "inferior" SFA version over NITRO & AC). And it sure isnt saying that automatically B&M cant make hypers.

"To get inside this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:12 AM

People non-impressed with Nitro? When I was there everyone in the train was laughing, clapping, and cheering! Since I was mostly a single rider most of the 25+ rides on Nitro I heard olot of comments. One guy was even doing commentary, and after said " Truely the best steel rollercoaster ever " and I agreed. The turns, hills, the helix, the drops, were perfect. Add that to a super silky smooth ride and you got a winner. Back seat on that ride is heaven. I could ride it for a week straight. The only bad part of the ride? The brakerun. I wish it lasted forever. Or at least a second lap ;) Plus, the view on that coaster was phenominal. Seeing all the forest and the river just looked so perfect with that coaster. Great Job B&M and SFGAdv, I will sure to be back when I get my car to have a reunion with Nitro, the best coaster anywhere.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:13 AM
They need to fix their stand ups.
Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:21 AM

Jermemy, you are officially "ON MY LIST" ( footnote: Dean Davenport form Different World)

ee-yip - a disgruntled Nitro fanatic

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:27 AM

All I can say is, I wish we had a B&M hyper in California!

Why is it that the people who have everything(B&M hyper, Intamin Hypers, Giga coaster ect.) are always the most consistant complainers?

"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:41 AM

Holy Cripes, people are getting so offended here that it seems like I took their first born.

Lighten up people. Nitro isn't a great coaster. I saw quite a few trains come into the brake run and nobody (not exaggerating) was going crazy. That's not to say they didn't enjoy the ride. I even enjoyed the ride. It just wasn't what I was expecting after watching it on the Discovery Channel.

If you don't like what I'm writing then stick your head up your ass.

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:44 AM

Vassk said:

Nitro isn't a great coaster.

Show me in writing, that *Nitro* is not a great coaster?

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:45 AM
Ok, who needs to lighten up? ;)

"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:17 PM
I don't mind the 4 across seating if I'm on an outside seat. The middle seats ruin the view from the ride and provide an inferior ride experience compared to the outside seats, IMHO.
Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:57 PM

sigmagammarho said:
"Jermemy, you are officially "ON MY LIST"

Yep, just like I thought, you want me.....:)

Seriously though, I did not by any means *DISLIKE* NITRO, it just overall didnt grab me like other coasters have. If you even read my very first review of the ride ( ) I said:

"I've not been on Apollo's Chariot, but I had been on Raging Bull, my current favorite steel coaster. I knew that Bull was better in the back so thats where we went for Nitro. Now remember, I ride S:ROS @ SFA pretty much weekly. Nitro was fun, but it seemed a little restrained, even compared to RB. There is a ton of feathery float, but no EJECTION, and little quick direction change. This is a solid coaster, worthy of the Dean's List, but not quite Summa Cumme Laude. (Note, I inherently have a bias against out & back coasters)."

Then I also shat out:

"So we grabbed the passes and hauled over to NITRO. We made it to the platform with one minute to spare! We were quickly ushered to row #2 (sweet cause I wanted to ride near the front anyway for comparison). This ride was much better than the back. I thought we were going to get tossed out of the train on those "broken
camelbacks". And the helix made my feet tingle like the ending helix on Raptor. Also there was tonnage of float, still no ejection, but good long float."

So your ride is decent...even if it is too close to NYC (sorry, I had too :))
--who still thinks that anyone who disses the ride because of the seating configuration is (or should I say is NOT) wound too tightly

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:47 PM
I don't know why I even looked at this thread... these are some of the best engineered rides on the planet. Who cares if one person doesn't like 'em?

Without the chaindog, you'd never get up the lifthill...

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:28 PM

Why is it that everytime someone criticizes B&M they get bashed? The original post did not say that he hates B&M's or that all their coasters are bad. It didn't even say that ANY of their coasters were bad. It just pointed out a preference for a different style of hyper.

No one is perfect. Not Arrow, Vekoma, Premier, Intamin or B&M. Each one (and others I've left out) could use some improvement (some more than others). Why is that so hard for people to accept? I personally enjoy B&M's coasters, but I don't think they're perfect.

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:12 PM

Amen to that last post. B&M makes my favorite looping coasters, no question about it. But for a hyper, give me an Intamin any day.

Somebody tell me why damn near every B&M coaster has a mid course brake run? Is there a purpose to this besides ruining a pretty good ride? And don't tell me because of a three train operation please.

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:17 PM
It's because of the "three train operation". ;)

"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:15 AM
The reason for the mid course is to set up blocks, simple as that. This way a three train operation can take place. If you notice any coaster with blocks runs a three train operation, anyone that doesn't, only runs two trains. Blocks are a safety measure so 2 trains will never collide, and that is the reason for the midcourse brakes.

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Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:14 AM
See that is my only gripe. They could have easily put two stations, like Millennium force, for loading and unloading. The MCBR in my opinion does ruin the ride, and plus if the blocks are clear why does the brake catch anyway?

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