Thanks for your input and comments Jeff, 2Hostyl, and others. That seriously made my day since it's raining and messed up our plans for PKI. Well, there's always tomarrow. And the sky will be on "Fire"!!!
Rachnken, well, I'm not even going to touch that, because obviously you know nothing about the park and it's meaning. Since Paramount took over, there have been endless improvements: Top Gun, Flight of Fear, Ghoster Coaster, Runaway Reptar, FX Theatre, Drop Zone, Face/Off, Tomb Raider,... What else do you won't? And find me proof that Flight of Fear(at PKD/PKI) wasn't the first coaster to use LIMs and I'll believe you: "I know this ride is supposed to be unique according to PKI's PR but they told you that FOF was the first coaster to use a LIM launch and it is not. Space Mountain in Disneyland Paris opened in 1992 and uses LIM for its launch." Wasn't Space Mountain the first coaster to use LSMs? Can someone help me out?
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Danny, who will be at the July 4th Celebration at PKI! :)
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 7/3/2001. ***
Depending on how you look at it, KECO screwed up the theming of Kings Island a long time ago by placing King Cobra and Adventure Express, full of Buddhist temples, in Oktoberfest (when was the last time someone found a Cobra in Germany?) This is more of the same. I would like to see TR:TR in the Action Zone, but there is so much traffic there already, I can see why they placed it at the back of the park. Yes, the feel of Rivertown may be "ruined" by this addition, or it may be made better. The point is that this isn't the first time a new attraction has sprung up that doesn't exactly match the theme of the area it's in. Life goes on - new rides open - and customers are made happy!
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King Cobra is in Action Zone and was previously in Adventure Village. I believe in 90, when Adventure Express was being planned, they were going to make the whole area the Adventure Village, but when Paramount came in, they scrapped the idea and with the coaster being right next to KC and surrounded by trees, I don't think it bothers Oktoberfest at all.
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Actually the King Cobra was in the Wild Animal Habitat. The monorail was still there and there were animal displays, including some snakes with one live cobra, directly across from it. However, I am not arguing about how the ride will effect the theme of Rivertown I am just pointing out that Paramount has made promises before that it never lived up to. As I mentioned before I worked in the park for 9 seasons. I do know what the park is about and that is profit. That is all Paramount cares about which makes sense because it is a business. But I wish they would put a little more of the profits back into the park.
I think, no scratch that. I know the park cares more than you know about or else they wouldn't have taken the OTSRs off FOF, they wouldn't have saved a classic long flume, they wouldn't have to films playing in the FX Theatre and they wouldn't be making something this special for their 30th Anniversary. I'm sure there are many more aspects that show they care and want to have the most quality park anywhere. BTW, the Racer has raced 12/13 times I've ridden this year if anyone wanted to know.
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The OTSRs made FOF almost unridable the lines were dwindling and people were losing interest and not going to the section of the park and not buying phots when they got off the ride. The log flume was originally going to be removed for a large coaster but when the attendence after the opening of SOB was so disappointing they scrapped those plans and renovated a classic (originally designed by Arrow, the coaster manufacturer by the way) because it was a more cost effective alternative. I have not seen either of the two new films in the FX theatre but I hear 7th Portal is first class and I'm pleasently surprised the racer is racing again.
LIM and LSM are the same concept. Take a look.
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/coasters/coaster.asp?CoasterID=41 LIM is Linear Induction Motor and LSM is Linear Synchronized Motor. Superman at Six Flags in CA also uses this theory for its launch.
Paramount's Kings Island was just featured on Entertainment Tonight about Tomb Rider The Ride opening next year also noting the film has recently passed the $100 million mark at the box office!!! Go PKI!
Does Paramount have the money to spend 100 million on an attraction like IJ at DL? I dont think so, lets hope it is just as good but i really doubt it.
Everyone seems to be missing the point. Action Zone was created to showcase action movies. Rivertown is "no more"! I believe it's the new "Adventure Zone". Also, who said that the attraction is only one ride? Perhaps it is several rides in one complex. A top scan , a thrust air and a air launched tower. All of these things thrust up and back down, or perhaps a watercoaster with theming. They did say on the train that it's not like any ride on the east coast. That should narrow it down a bit. I think that the ride, if at all similar to an computer adventure game, will allow visitors to decide which path to take leading them to a different ending. How many times would you get in line for the ride if the ending were different each time? I would everytime! As for ruining Rivertown, what's there now besides space and the beast? For the last 5 years I have been able to walk up and get on my own boat at KCKC (it was a great ride, but not a crowd pleaser). The Tomb Raider, and other revamping of the area will be a boost to separating the crowds from the Action Zone to this area. Another rumor is that King Cobra is out at the end of ,or maybe before the season ends. How about relocating the Adventure Express to the new "Adventure Zone" and putting a Flying Dutchman in King Cobra's place? How about a new "Science Fiction Zone surrounding the Flight of fear? Imagine what kind of rides would "theme" into this area? Maybe a launched hyper? Who knows...as long as we dwell on whether it will be a coaster or not, we're missing the point....it's still a ride....maybe even the best. Only time will tell.
I am sick and tired of hearing complaints on this board about how PKI isnt putting in what you want. Well my response to that is Boo Hoo. Would you like some cheese with your whine? Just because PKI didnt put in a huge hyper doesnt mean that the entire park is shot. I would have loved it if PKI would have put a coaster in. But just cause they didnt doesnt mean that im boycotting the park. I like the coaster lineup that PKI has now. Im happy. In fact, im looking forward to this ride because I dont know what it is.
Oh and rachnken, Paramount is a business. But they care a lot about their customers. If they didnt, then they would just stop putting into the park and leave it the way it is. At least PKI is getting something.
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You know, I'm really pretty happy with most of me fellow coasterbuzzers. If you look around, most of the reaction has really been pretty positive.
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The day that I spend more time analyzing the rides than screaming my head off like a moron is the day that I hope someone will kick my in the love sausage and tell me not to be a moron. - Jeff
Yaaa! Tomb Raider the ride! The pictures are great. I'm gonna love this ride, whatever it is.
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i think this ride is going to be awesome!!!!!!!!!!! maybe my favorite in the park.
I'm calming down a little bit. Basically, I still feel the same. But I want to say that I NEVER outright expected it to be a world-class steel coaster. I simply stated in other threads that it was something King's Island NEEDED. In fact, all I have ever said about another coaster for the park was that I wished they would get either a water coaster, or some sort of steel coaster that would compete with something at CP or SFWoA. I don't think I set myself up for any disappointment, because even if it WAS a new steel coaster, I would most probably never ride it because I can't ride them. Well, I could probably ride a water coaster, but not a huge steel coaster. It's just that when I heard what they WERE building, it was a huge letdown because I think PKI's potential is being wasted.
They have had the potential for YEARS to build a great steel coaster, but they still won't do it. They had the potential even before a lot of other parks got their steelies, yet they just sat on their duffs and did nothing while the rest of the parks passed them by. Vortex doesn't cut it, image wise. So many other parks - in fact, the majority from what I can see, are not afraid to put in coasters with Zero-G rolls, or floorless coasters, or flying coasters, etc.... Yet PKI has NOTHING like that. The closest they come is Face/Off. An invertigo - big whoopdee deal.
I don't think PKI is becoming a theme park out of sheer desire to do so. I think it is the only thing LEFT for them to do, because they let everyone else pass them up, and they have gotten so far behind they can't catch up.
As stupid and as strange as this may sound, I am going to reveal a quark in my personality, and you will all think I am probably a little neurotic, but it is personal pet peeve I have regarding things in and around the Cincinnati area.....I have lived in the Cincy metro area my entire life. I think it is widely known that Cincinnati is considered to be a backwards, stuffy conservative place where everything takes 10 years to get done. If we get any national exposure at all, it is usually negative, and we become the laughing stock of the nation. I have seen this town come up with some great plans for it's future, only to have them rejected by local officials, or scaled back because the people here think they are too big. Or, while study after study is done trying to examine the feasibility of doing something, the rest of the world passes us by, and eventually we don't do anything at all because it is determined that there is no market for it. But the fact is, when the plans were first drawn up, the market WAS there, and we had the opportunity to sieze the moment and BUILD something. It's just that the people around this area are so scared to do anything grand, they sit back and twiddle their thumbs in an endless DEBATE about it, instead of actually DOING it.
For those of you who live in the area, you all remember the grand plans they had for Fountain Square West, right? It was supposed to be a HUGE office/retail/hotel complex on one of the most prime pieces of real estate in the midwest. The office tower alone was supposed to tower over the city at about 860 feet. Not tall by New York standards, but at the time it was planned, it would have been the tallest building in the midwest outside of Chicago. BUTTTTTTT - city council was so concerned with minute little details such as the materials used to build it, that studying it went on for so long and eventually the plans were dropped. They claimed it was the condition of the economy at the time that caused it to not be built, but that didn't stop other cities from building. The fact was, they flat out didn't like the designs, and eventually dropped the developers because of it. The real estate eventually became a parking lot for years, until they finally decided to build a 4-story department store on the site. As it stands, Carew Tower remained the tallest building in the city, and it was built back in the 1930's!! People even thought it should stay that way, because it was the symbol of the city. Funny, I don't see it that way. I see the skyline as an ugly old silhouette that testifies to just how backwards this place is.
Eventually, they got rid of a lot of the things that people went downtown for, and after a while, people stopped going. Like me. I have no reason in the world to go down there anymore, and it is not because of the riots. It is because I saw the potential Cincinnati had to do something grand, and it just wasted it's potential. Now, they are planning a tower for Newport, across the river in Kentucky, that is supposed to be 1000 feet high. And Newport is a LOT smaller that Cincinnati.
What is my point? My point is that I see so much potential for PKI, and they have been wasting it. They have had such opportunities to do a great steel coaster, and they just don't do it. And I think eventually, the opportunity won't be there anymore, and we will be left with just ordinary for years to come, instead of extraordinary. I am just wishing that SOMETHING in the Cincinnati area could be done right for a change that would cause people to stand up, and take us seriously, by seeing that we have something world class.
I don't think a dark ride is going to cut it.
Some points:
1. I was at first dissapointed in it not being a coaster.
2. I am now totally excited of what this experience could be. I really believe the escape vehicle will be something nobody has ever seen...some interesting hints in the Cincinnati newspapers.
3. How the heck can this ruin Rivertown. Did you see the awesome deep-forest/ruins in the theming. True this is not a "town" but maybe the Backwoods of a town...somewhere kinda spooky and along a swamp!!!
4. Jeff you did jump on CoasterMatt(whatever his name was)....he sounded very positive and I know it's your forum but you did make a mistake.
5. PKI will continue to build coasters..period!
6. The person that said that PKI has only put in one good ride since Paramount took over is a ...words not used here, or someone who knows very little about what good rides are.
7. PKI needs flat rides very badly. IF PKI has done anything wrong, it is taking out too many of these. Now PKI is adding a dark ride, that will be pretty darn good it seems.
8. And finally, Tomb Raider is way too cool for an attraction....morbid...NO. I am very excited about what could be done.
9. How the heck can you say PKI has nothing left to do but fall farther behind. They have a great coaster collection. They are lacking three things in my opinion: CCI, B&M, Hyper steel. They will get these eventually...and I am dissapointed they have not 1 of the 3..but to say they have fallen way behind, give me a break.
10. I really thought a coaster in those woods beside Beast would be great...However, we now know that Beast will never be touched. Well they could touch/Turn off the darn BRAKES!
Chris
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aquila: I guess my thing is I dont think that a big steelie is the end all be all. While currently I *DO* prefer hypers to most other coasters, my favorite type of coaster is wooden twister. If PKI didnt build anything, I could see being mad. But they had balls and put in a launched coaster. Then got a bigger pair and put in the tallest drop tower in the US (and still the only one that spins). Finally, they got big chuch bells sized ones and built the biggest freaking woodie ever; a woodie even tallest than the first so-called hypercoaster. In my opinion, PKI has been "doing it's own thing" and has been doing it very well. I WANT them to be different. All parks dont have to have the same formula to be good. PKI, with it's formula is GREAT (IMO). My six favorite parks (BGT, CP, DL, IOA, PKI, SFGAm ) all have different approaches, but are a fantastic places to visit.
jeremy
Hmmm, yeah, Aquila. I can't remember the last time this park did not do something outstanding and just blew everything else away. For several years, it was the number one park in Ohio and is still one of the top 5 seasonal parks and one of the top 10 non-Disney parks visitor wise in the US. To tell the truth, I think Face/Off was actually one of their least noteworthy additions since it was a shuttle coaster and not a biggest or first of it's kind. They've always tried to thrive and be the best.
72-The Racer, thought as the coaster to bring back the second coaster building renaissance still going on today as well as one of the few forwards/backwards racing coasters anywhere
77-Screamin' Demon-first Arrow shuttle loop
79-The Beast-still the longest coaster in the US and the longest woodie in the World
81-The Bat-first suspended coaster and one of the best of any type at the time
84-King Cobra, World's first looping standup coaster and oldest still operating today
87-Vortex, first 6 looper and still a darn good ride, a looping junior hyper ;)
91-Adventure Express, one of the biggest and best themed mine train coasters
93-Top Gun, one of the biggest, best, and few suspended coasters
96-Flight of Fear, first mad cobra(along with PKDs)
98-Scooby's Ghoster Coaster, one of the only kiddie suspended coasters
99-Drop Zone, opened as the tallest gyro drop in the World
-Face/Off, second invertigo ever made and a very popular ride
00-Son of Beast, still the tallest, fastest, and only looping wooden coaster in the World, as well as the second longest coaster in the US and wooden coaster in the World
01-Runaway Reptar, first junior inverted coaster and tallest junior coaster in the World(tied with SS)
02-TRTR-one-of-a-kind interactive dark ride experience
If that's a waste, I suggest you contacting them yourself with your concerns. I find it completely fascinating, and I know if they did build something such as a floorless or flying coaster, it would not be as talked about and as speculated about as this. They are going out on a limb for the upteenth time and will prove again they are the King of the Amusement Park business. Jennifer Bowers said herself that this has been in the planning stages for 2-3 years, so that obviously shows, this is not a spur of the moment exit out of the coaster wars. Again, they're smarter than you think and they will come out on top again...and again. Don't hurt yourself thinking about it too much.
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 7/4/2001. ***
Fine. I apologize. I was a total jerk. I bow down to your superior opinion. Have mercy on me. Lock me away so that your opinion reigns supreme forever more. I will never show my face again. I have been humbled. I am such a moron. An idiot. A childish whiner who does not deserve to be heard.
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
My opinion is just THAT - my opinion. Stop acting like my opinion is so threatening that you guys have to bash the crap out of me for having it.
Okay - it's been a few hours and I am over it.
I guess I do act like a jerk sometimes. I was hoping maybe somebody would understand where I was coming from, but my opinions tend to be very contrary to the general public's. I need to just keep them to myself. Just hoping somebody would be willing to listen to me, that's all.
Sorry I offended you guys.
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