PKI 2003 announced in SP Renewal Notice
Dude......nobody gives a D@^& about Pete Rose. We're a coaster site.
And no I never believed they'd tear it down. Like KC it is a popular attraction. KC's problem was that it cost to much to run. Vortex is going great! Thank goodness!
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Seeing as it's a PKI topic, bringing up Pete Rose (hello, Cincinnati?) isn't really a far stretch at all, IMO. BTW, Pete certainly DOES belong in The Hall, no doubt, but he also needs to come clean about what he DID do...(personally, I think he DID bet on his teams...so what! Betting AGAINST your team would be the unforgivable sin, and nobody that played THAT hard would've done that...."don't make no sense"....he can WIN with the Chewbacca defense, LOL.
Back to PKI, heavily theming Delirium, putting it in a buildoing, etc. would IMO be akin to wasting the money spent theming out TR:TR. Why would you want something to "compete" with your other new ride, you'd rather have something to "complement" it....;). I just knew this business degree would come in handy someday, lol.
Hey, I'm chilled. I realise PKI and Pete Rose are related from the same city, but who ever brought up baseball? Seemed weird to me. And I myself am not a big fan of the sport. I also don't see how the point he's trying to state about PKI and Pete Rose have anything in common.
I agree he does belong in the hall though
Also, DDR kicks @$$ and is found in amusement parks. I've never heard of Pete Rose visiting one!
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Of course, there's probably a possibility Meteor Attack will be replaced by another new FX Theatre film as well.
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PkI FaNaTiC said of PKI and Intamin:
Could this start a relationship between the two?
Care to guess whose name is on the Eiffel Tower, the Viking Fury, and a few other little odds and ends that date back to the park's opening?
By the way, over the weekend my eight year old nephew told me the Vortex is sinking and has to be replaced. It's nice to know some things never change.
Teenage Ninja said:
...but the giga will bring in TONS of people I assure you.
Great, the Lemon Chill and Dip'n'Dots guys are at it again.
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BogeyMon,
Yeah I know PKI already has a good Intamin relationship. Some rides you didn't mention were Drop Zone and White Water Canyon! I'd just like a better one. Their Hypers/Gigas are amazing rides! Last time I checked, there's nothing wrong with wanting something GOOD at your park. I also realise that flats are a good thing, something PKI is missing.
People have been complaing, "PKI needs more flats!" Then they get them and people don't want em now? All the sudden. Hmm. I for one, welcome these flat rides. Example, last year I got on the second ride of opening day for TRTR. Only people before me were the contest winners. I'm sure I'll do everything I can to be back up for this new flat and dark ride next year on opening day! They sound like they're gonna be great!
RolliecoasterDUDE,
I care about Pete Rose too, but don't you think it's a little crazy to talk about him on a ROLLERCOASTER site. I do. Seemed pointless to me....
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PF, think not about PKI's relationship with Intamin, it misses the point. Paramount HQ (Charlotte, the "other *queen* city") makes the decisions, the plans, purchases, etc. PKD is getting one serious Intamin product for next year, and I frnkly don't care either way wheter the seats tilt or not.....it sounds GREAT either way. And while it's true enough about Charlie Hustle having little (ok, nothing) to do with coasters, it IS true that the "side-bars" are what makes us a *community*.....;).
And since I'm down here in the vast expanse of Intamin wasteland, anybody care to guess the distance from 'Gator to the nearest Intamin hyper? Carowinds better be careful, as SFoG certainly gets it's share of the SF cap-ex....bill, ever hopeful.....(not for '03 though)....maybe Chris G. will see my cause as just....
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Coaster Bob said:
It's a sad day when a coaster is replaced with a flat.
Most of the time, I would probably agree with you. But King Cobra has never been a "must ride" for me, even on slow days, and frisbee-style rides are my favorite type of flat ride. This is one time that I'm not at all disappointed with a coaster being removed.
Aaron, thrilled that an Ohio park is finally getting a Frisbee! :)
rollergator said: "PF, think not about PKI's relationship with Intamin, it misses the point. Paramount HQ (Charlotte, the "other *queen* city") makes the decisions, the plans, purchases, etc. "
Not exactly. From what I understand each individual park has the primary say in what they will install, although final approval must be granted by Corporate. It is primarily based on Marketing and what will draw guests and, ultimately, revenue.. Now I have never had the pleasure of sitting down with any PP official, so I cannot say for sure how decisions are made. However, the process, as I perceive it, (from the tid-bits that get passed along in the enthusiast community) goes something like this:
(I'll use PKI as the example.)
PKI surveys it's guests for the types of rides, attractions and experiences they would like to see. The park staff also has input based on their own experiences elsewhere (hence marketing and ride folks visiting other parks throughout the season.)
From there, PKI involves PPD&E (Paramount Parks Design and Entertainment Division) to obtain information about certain attractions and/or manufactured items that offer the types of experiences the guests would be interested in. Also, they may use PPD&E to come up with, or develop a specialized attraction to suit the needs. TR:TR was developed in this exact manner... the PPD&E idea for the ride existed and TR theming was later developed/added when the project was green-lighted.
PPD&E presents their ideas and research results back to PKI. From there it goes through the long transitional process of local managerial review, input, development, etc. The park may also choose to again survey the ideas to guests (as they did with Delirium) for more input, general reactions and interest. Bottom line if the guests surveyed show little interest, the attraction is a no-go. I could name one attraction right now that was a no-go for 2003 because guests said that it did not look interesting.
This is probably the most crucial time. Because ideas might get scrapped, changed or shelved because of lack of appeal to guests or the park management. PKI has several "shelved" rides that never made the cut, although they were nearly fully developed. Also if the attraction is using a licensed theme, name or character then the holder of that copyright must be included in the approval/development stage. A birdie told me that Scooby Doo and the Haunted Castle had some development issues because the original name was not approved by the those that hold the rights to the character.
Also, basic budgeting is probably developed and strategized at this point. The park may like the idea, but decide it is better for a different season rather than the one they originally planned etc. Or it may prove too expensive or not economically feesible for the planned season. PKI is pretty distinguishable when it comes to capitol expenditures and typically spends big bucks every other, or every third year. They also tend to alternate the types of attractions that they want... kids attraction one year, thrillride the next, family and/or water attraction the next etc etc etc.
Ideas and budgetary needs get presented at corporate meetings designed to review capitol expenditures and ideas. PKI could have a few different seasons in mind and present them at once, as they often work up to 3 or 4 years in advance for larger additions. In other words, at this year's meetings PKI very well could have presented ideas for 2003, 2004 and 2005 if they know what they want. Early approval is necessary for larger projects such as a big coaster because of the lengthy design and construction process the manufacturer will require.
Once final approval is granted by corporate, then PPD&E as well as the PKI marketing/managerial folks once again begin reviewing, tweaking etc. Also, manufacturers and or builders are then approached and negotiated by corporate who ultimately signs off on the deal. Local builders are aquired by bidding out the work at hand which is usually one of the final steps before the addition is underway.
To say any one person or department of Paramount Parks is responsible is not exactly correct. It is very much a team effort. Now, I am sure there are times when Corporate may step up and say "Hey, you're getting this!" and the parks do not have a choice. I also expect there are times when corporate may say, "That attraction is not suitable for PKI" and nixes it immediately. However, I believe that if corporate feels that they have a strong and smart enough managerial team in place at a park, then they trust their judgement and forsight.
What intrigues me is that it appears that each park "presents" their ideas in annual meetings before sister parks. They could, or could not, know what others are working on for the future. This "meeting of the minds" probably has resulted in the sharing of ideas and projects such as the Vekoma Junior coasters, OL:FOFs etc. Who knows? But I do have a hunch that at least one very NORTHERN Paramount Park is perhaps known among the chain for doing their own thing. I sure would love to be a fly on the wall during at least one of those meetings.
Shaggy
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Sometime I really wonder about you people. Some of you just can't put two and two together and then when you don't understand something you make fun of it (Rollercoasterdude).
The comment with Pete Rose relates to PKI. Let me explain. Some people think that Cincinnati should have dished out 1 million dollars so they could have Pete at Cenergy. It isn't allowed but that is what the million is for. To pay for the fines. Put many people said that if Cincinnati did so it would be a bad business move (Sounds like the Shagster) .
Are you seeing my point yet?
Although it MIGHT be a bad business move it would give pleasure to the fans.
Now, some say that King's Island should get a giga or some kind of roller coaster. (Similer to those who think Ciny should have dished out the million). But most say that King's Island shouldn't get a roller coaster because it is a bad business move (Shaggy!). Get it now boys and gals?
EminEm -
Just so you know, the Reds would have also faced firings and the loss of draft picks had they let Rose participate.
Personally, I think baseball is full of crap in more than one way, but especially the banning of Rose. However, I think the Reds did the right thing.
As far as PKI goes - never rode a Frisbee, hope it doesn't make me sick!
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Yes, I get what you are saying, EminEm. BUT and a big BUT, parks always try not to make a wrong business move. They ARE a business, and need to make a profit like all businesses. So therefore, most parks, unless run by idiots, always go with the good business move. Another thing is most of the time the right business move is the one that bring in the crowds. After the surveys PKI has done, flatrides are what people want right now. I understand the connection between Pete Rose and a bad business move, but it isn't a plausible analogy IMO.
RolliecoasterDude, If PKI or any park built a ride called Pete Rose the ride. I for one wouldn't go on it, Kinda sounds sick saying " I rode Pete Rose" doesn't it?
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