Petition seeks to prevent Trump from speaking in The Hall of Presidents at Disney's Magic Kingdom

A) Agreed. After eight years of calls for Presdent Obama to be killed, after eight years of people on the right putting together parade floats and effigies depicting a dead President Obama, not to mention eight years of overt Republcan resistance in Congress, suddenly many on the right would like us to believe they gratefully accepted the results of Obama winning two elections and peacefully abided by those results.

B) It will be a challenge for Imagineering to create an Audio-Animatronic that lies each time it opens its mouth.

C) I'm afraid online petitions are only worth the paper they're printed on.

As Will Rogers once said, "There are men running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches."

Of course there are extremes on both sides who do laughably dumb or scarily offensive things in expression of their disapproval (I voted for Hillary and I can't stand the "Not my president" nonsense I see. Whether you voted for him or not, he's your president because he won the election. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.) I'm way more curious what the "median opinion" on Trump vs. the "median opinion" on Obama looks like. I don't think there's really a good way to quantify that, though. Maybe approval ratings? I suspect (wild guess from inside my bubble) it will be much worse for Trump, though.

CreditWh0re said:
sorry, stakes are too high. Go watch puppy videos.

Oh. Now the stakes are too high. Watching the constitution being ignored the last 8 years was ok, but now it's time to take a stand.

Jeff said:

Everyone does not exhibit the tenets of fascism. And yes, I keep using that word on purpose, because that's what's going on.

Mmm hmm. So anyone who cried "socialism" in the last 8 years was irrational, but now fascism is real.

I'm not saying Trump doesn't necessarily exhibit fascist tendencies. But to be wary of that while pretending Obama (or really the entire Democrat party) never wished to impose socialist ideologies is a bit naive. The narcissism exhibited by the last president should have been at least as much of a concern as that of the current one, but I think because he was considered a "great orator" and "more presidential," people were easily fooled into believing he was chock full of integrity.

I didn't say anything about socialism, so I'm not sure what your point is. While a pointless side-argument, socialism is a dirty word that everyone participates in every day (assuming of course that they send their kids to school, drive on roads, or enjoy the protection of police, fire and military).

And yeah, I do happen to think that Obama had integrity and honored the office, even though I disagreed with a great many of actions (or non-actions, as the case may be). I would say that about any president in my lifetime, regardless of party. Trump has resorted to name-calling for judges who, you know, have to enforce what the Constitution says.

I used to find it amusing that people would try to find moral equivalencies between Trump and any past president, but frankly I'm starting to find it horrifying.

I'm not sure there's any comparison to the amount of juvenile crap that Trump gets involved in. Policy by Twitter(or Twitter at all), name calling, arguments over crowd size, hanging up on foreign heads of state...

Jeff said:

I didn't say anything about socialism, so I'm not sure what your point is. While a pointless side-argument, socialism is a dirty word that everyone participates in every day (assuming of course that they send their kids to school, drive on roads, or enjoy the protection of police, fire and military).

That's exactly the predictable argument I've heard from you on multiple occasions. The point was, you're crying "fascism!" now when you dismissed anyone crying "socialism!" the last 8 years, as if Obama was some champion of individual freedom and small government. Because roads and police.

Socialism isn't merely public services like schools and police and fire, and most of those things are local- or state-level programs anyway. Building highways and protecting our borders are specifically written in the constitution as two of the very few powers the federal government has. Most everything else is relegated to the states (or were, before the "constitution is a living document" people started interpreting it to fit their agenda). I'm talking about the level of socialism that grants the federal government power to regulate nearly every aspect of our lives: healthcare, education, environment, housing, welfare, economy...these things were never intended to be managed by the fed. I agree that socialism is a dirty word, but only because it's an alternative to individual freedom. And I'd bet my life that if liberal/progressive Democrats and Republicans were given unrestrained power, the constitution and government of, by, and for the people would cease to exist in a matter of years, and We The People would be under the rule of an oligarchy...moreso than we are already.

Trump's billionaire cabinet picks solidify that we are now living under the authority of an oligarchy. Donald Trump is the establishment that (Democratic Socialist) Bernie Sanders was warning everyone about.

And I still think that a robotic Donald Trump will be extremely creepy. (((SHIVERS)))

You're arguing policy positions. And you know, as much as I find that your position is an ideological extreme that is totally impractical (and by the way, I'm not making an endorsement for the opposite extreme of over-regulation either... I'm a middling kind of guy like that), I do respect that as an argument to be made. That would make for an interesting discussion.

However, it has exactly nothing to do with the reason that Trump is so troubling. Trump has a lot of rhetoric and no concrete policy. It's all reactionary nonsense that panders to an extreme, and so far with total disregard to the Constitution. Already the courts have shut him down and jarred civil rights advocates and lawyers into action. He has made a concerted effort to silence his critics in government and keep it from communicating anything to the taxpayers, the people who paid for research and education. He obstructs the press and attempts to disqualify it. He takes somber moments in front of memorials and on historic days of remembrance to talk about himself. And now he's criticizing the judicial branch as if he's above it.

If you want to argue policy and what's good for us, then sure, let's do that. But to imply that any policy can justify the behavior of this president isn't an argument at all. Fascism isn't policy, it's anti-American.

Big government vs small government, socialism's ills vs perks, those.arwmall.good arguments we.can have and survive as a country (like you pointed out, we survived 8 years of it).

Let's see how you feel about four years of facism. It's not an argument of preference. You like having guns? Wait till people with guns try to rise up against a facist government. Then see how many citizens have guns.

And for the record, as a government employee, I'm good with smaller government. Makes my job easier. As a former Medicare and food stamp caseworker, I think social programs need trimmed and changed. I'm against abortion. I'm for anyone having a legally registered gun.

But our non ban ban on immigration wouldn't have stopped but one of our (non fatal) terrorist attacks.

And surely no one on either side should agreenthat Russia is just the bestest.

Jeff said:

Trump has a lot of rhetoric and no concrete policy. It's all reactionary nonsense that panders to an extreme, and so far with total disregard to the Constitution. Already the courts have shut him down and jarred civil rights advocates and lawyers into action. He has made a concerted effort to silence his critics in government and keep it from communicating anything to the taxpayers, the people who paid for research and education. He obstructs the press and attempts to disqualify it. He takes somber moments in front of memorials and on historic days of remembrance to talk about himself. And now he's criticizing the judicial branch as if he's above it.

This. Exactly. Thank you for summing up what is wrong about the Trump presidency.

As one of the few (seemingly) open gay guys on this site, Im just gonna toss this out there.... I wonder how long it will be before Trump and his cronies try to repeal or block the rights and progress of the LGBT community ?? If you look at his cabinet picks they are not exactly the most open minded individuals. And circling back to the ORIGINAL topic of this post, maybe it IS BETTER if Trump's animatronic doppleganger is silent. There is no telling how he might warp the minds of the young children who would come to listen to him.

Getting back to the topic, maybe the extended closure is because of major changes to the show, the sitting President is just going to tweet to the audience. Your phone will automatically go off at the end of the show with a tweet from the Hall of presidents. It's just proving to be a bit of a technical challenge to implement.

Will they have a media day for the re-opening? If so, that could be awkward.

Depends on which media outlets are granted access...Steve Doocy might get lonely.

Coasterhound36 said:

As one of the few (seemingly) open gay guys on this site...

Nine years since you signed up and that's your observation? How could you miss all of the times dudes wanted to have a tickle fight with Gonch?

I'm straight, but even my posts are pretty openly gay around here.

Please. You're heterofabulous at best.

Jeff said

Nine years since you signed up and that's your observation? How could you miss all of the times dudes wanted to have a tickle fight with Gonch?

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of straight people here who wanted a tickle-fight with Gonch, even despite the threats of getting stabbed.

Come to think of it, though, he never really specified what he'd use to stab people...

Excuse me, but... what has happened to CoasterBuzz?