Overbank Turns

Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:06 PM

Okay, two questions. 1- Does Speed in Las Vegas have an overbanked turn? If the answer is yes, then here is the second one.2- Who invented the Overbanked turn? Because if Speed has one, then don't you think it would be the first?

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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:19 PM

yes speed has an overbanked turn but im not sure who invented it because im not sure if millennium force was built before or after speed

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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:22 PM
Didn't the S:ROS at DL have several? If not then I'm sure Speed wasn't the first.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:26 PM
From what I can trace (not sure if a japanese coaster had one first), both Mr.Freeze (SF St-Louis and SFOT) have an overbanked turn (132 degrees). They both opened in 1998.
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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:27 PM
Intamin was the first to produced the overbanked turn to my knowledge. Speed the ride does not have an overbanked turn far as i know. Launch out of station, banked but not overbanked turn, loop, huge turn then up the 224 foot spike, then do it again in reverse. So there is no overbanked turn on speed atleast not like the ones Intamin makes. I also forgot about Mr. Freeze but I still don't think it banked more then the one on MF, to me it seams more like 90* degrees then 132. Also when MF debuted it said it had the steepest banked turns on any coaster if I can remember correctly. The only Superman coaster with a overbanked turn is S:ROS SFNE the others have huge helices. This is a banked turn http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery593.htm?Picture=5 This is an overbanked turn http://joyrides.com/cedar_point/full/millennium_force3.htm

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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 8:30 PM
Speed:The Ride's first and final turn IS overbanked, trust me.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2002 9:36 PM
Mr. Freeze's is also heavily overbanked.

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 12:03 AM

Speed The Ride does NOT have an "overbank" turn. It may feel like one, but believe me - IT ISN'T.

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 12:24 AM
To answer some questions....

1)No, SFDL's S:ROS doesn't have several overbanked turns. It doesn't even have one.
2)Most will probably agree that the Mr. Freeze clones (1998) were first with overbanked turns
3)IMO, B&M invented it with their inclined helix in 1996 on Mantis - but I don't expect anybody to agree with me on that!

-Nate

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 12:50 AM

As for your #3 -

Mantis' 'carousel turn' as B&M call it, isn't "overbanked."

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 2:03 AM

I just happen to live a few blocks away from Speed, saw them construct it, spoke directly with some Premier Techs as well as Sahara higher ups, attended media day.

To be more specific, it's banked at 107' degrees. Only for a split second, but that's the number I was given.

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 2:25 AM
Space M ountain in Paris has one, which opened in 1994....

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 2:42 AM
The one at space mountain is a cutback or tongue loop . A true inversion like the one on Drachen Fire. At least that's what I thought.

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 4:11 AM

Would the inclined helix on Mindbender count at SFoG? If so then it would be one of the earliest at 1978.

http://www.joyrides.com/sfog/full/mind_bender3.htm

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 4:25 AM
The turn before the last corkscrew on all B:TR clones is banked past 90 degrees. Do you all consider that overbanked.
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Thursday, August 8, 2002 7:38 AM

This is an over-banked turn

The turn on speed is not overbanked! An overbanked turn has to be over 90 degrees! The one on S:RoS above is 120 degrees. Intamin invented these. Flat loops are not considered over-banked turns!

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 7:50 AM
Speed is banked at 107 degrees, which last time I checked was past 90
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Thursday, August 8, 2002 8:21 AM
SFNE Dune (and slightly to our local "Frenchie" abs :)), I'm going to have to say that it was Premier who was first with the 120 degree "wraparound" curves on the Mr. Freeze rides @ SFStL and SFoT. Millennium Force has overbanks of 122 degrees IIRC.

Of course, if I was a butt-nugget like Natedude318, I'd go back even further than Mantis and say that ARROW created it with the so-called "cutback" on the former Drachen Fire coaster!
lata,
jeremy
--still an ARROW fan

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 8:33 AM

Not to add fuel to the fire, but Intamin's Spacediver [now sitting as Flashback at SFMM] has overbanked turns, especially the one before the dive into the helix. That was built in 1985.

But to be technical, wasn't it Intamin who actually used the term "overbanked turn" first? I don't recall Premier using that term to describe that feature on Mr Freeze.

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Matthew "mamoosh" Sullivan
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Thursday, August 8, 2002 8:46 AM
Speed The Ride DOESN'T have an overbank, the turn is not over 90 degrees, according to the Premier website (http://www.premier-rides.com) it says that the Diving LIM Catapult Coaster has 2 inversions, (forward and back), so theres the answer to that!

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