Overbank Turns

ApolloAndy's avatar
sfne dude: there's no way that turn is 120. Look at it from the side sometime (like right near the entrance to B:DK). If it is overbanked, it's only slight.

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Since overbanked turns are NOT considered inversions, they would not be in the inversion counts on coasters. Inversions are considered as such if the riders are moved to a degree higher than 180.Speed's turn is indeed over 90 degrees, but they were not called "overbanked turns" until the phrase was introduced during the construction of MF by CP and Intamin.

See the link below for a good photo of the overbank on Speed.. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery593.htm?Picture=5

Indeed both Mr. freeze's do have turns over 90 degrees as well as Flashack at SFMM. As people have pointed out, these "overbanked" turns have been on coasters for a while, they just weren't called that.

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Being overbanked is like being pregnant: you either is or you isn't.

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Matthew "mamoosh" Sullivan
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As for your #3 - Mantis' 'carousel turn' as B&M call it, isn't "overbanked."

Wrong element buddy, he's talking about the... tada! inclined loop! Clearly seen here... http://www.joyrides.com/cedar_point/full/mantis7.htm

I know the earliest in Japan was Bandit which features two out of control over banked turns and many heavily banked helixes.

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Vertigo - FYI Bandit is a mirror-image B&M Batman clone and, as such, has only one overbanked turn, between flat spin #1 and #2.

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Matthew "mamoosh" Sullivan
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Batman clone? I didn't know Togo built Batman clones...

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D'OH! Gambit...Bandit...I got me coasters confused. My bad ;-) Thanks for the correction, Helios and Vertigo!

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Matthew "mamoosh" Sullivan
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Mamoosh, I thought you're talking about Gambit and Diavlo, Bandit was built in 1988 and is one of the fastest and longest non-looping coasters in the world with a third drop of 256 feet(second drop if you consider the swooping turn arouind a drop)

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Anybody know where any good pics of Bandit are? I've seen one photo in a book and maybe a few on the net, but it sounds like a hell of a ride.

ApolloAndy said:
sfne dude: there's no way that turn is 120. Look at it from the side sometime (like right near the entrance to B:DK). If it is overbanked, it's only slight.

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I'll agree with you that it doesn't look overbanked from B:DK. But the key word is "look". Look at it from the mind eraser queue before you go up the stairs. There you will see just how overbanked it is.

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Also, don't forget that Tennesse Tornado at Dollywood has 110degree overbanked turns. It opened a year before Millenum Force in 1999.

and Vertigo, how could Bandit have a 256 ft. drop if it opened a year before Magnum (1988) and Magnum still be call the worlds tallest coaster when it opened?? Also, dont forget that it was there when Pepsi Max Big One, Desprado, and Steel Phantom, had the longest drops. Did they all lie?? Finally, on RCDB it says its max speed is 68 MPH. I thinks thats a little slow for a 256ft. drop.

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RCmuzikGuY said:

Also, don't forget that Tennesse Tornado at Dollywood has 110degree overbanked turns. It opened a year before Millenum Force in 1999.

and Vertigo, how could Bandit have a 256 ft. drop if it opened a year before Magnum (1988) and Magnum still be call the worlds tallest coaster when it opened?? Also, dont forget that it was there when Pepsi Max Big One, Desprado, and Steel Phantom, had the longest drops. Did they all lie?? Finally, on RCDB it says its max speed is 68 MPH. I thinks thats a little slow for a 256ft. drop.

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Magnum ,for one, was the world's second tallest coaster when opened(second to the two Moonsault Scrambles). Second Bandit is only 165 feet tall, the park lyes on the foothills of a coastal mountain range which gives it the terrain to do the big drop of 256 feet. Think of Phantom Revenge. Look up Bandit on the Coasterbuzz database. Also that is the max speed of the first drop(170 feet), not many have the official stats for this ride. If you think that is slow, the Matoomba Scenic Railway takes a steep 526 foot drop at max speed of 12 mph. This is old TOGO technology we're talking about, not an Intamin hyper with flyers.

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Ya really, height has nothing to do with speed it's angle and trims and fricition that come into the matter. I think SOB has an overbanked on the top, it might just be 80* though, doesn't gwazi have over banked?

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Vertigo, that still doesn't explain why Pepsi MAx, Desparado, and Steel Phantom claimed to have the longest drops. Im not trying to nitpick im just trying to figure out why 3 coasters are widley known to have the longest drop at the time, when there was still one that had a longer one.

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Teenage Ninja, no woodies have overbanked turns, not even close.

Batman Knight Flight has an over banked turn after the loop. It is slight but prolonged. Looks to be 95 to 105 degrees.

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RCmuzikGuY said:
Vertigo, that still doesn't explain why Pepsi MAx, Desparado, and Steel Phantom claimed to have the longest drops. Im not trying to nitpick im just trying to figure out why 3 coasters are widley known to have the longest drop at the time, when there was still one that had a longer one.

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(1)Because it's in Japan., there are many records broken all over the world that we never take time to notice and just make false claims ourselves about our American thrill rides like:

Drop Zone, Power Tower, Supreme Scream, or this other were or are the tallest drop rides. The fact is none of these have held the record because Giant Fall in Japan has is 338 feet tall and Tower of Terror's drop tower side is close to 400 feet tall.

Stealth was the world's first flyer is another false claim because Sky Trek and Birdmen both debuted first.

(2)It hasn't been globally adverstised.

(3)It was made by Togo and does not have much fame

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Overbanked:Past a 90degree banking, thank u, shuttup!Sad when a kid knows this...

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