No re-entry at Sux Flags this Year
To me this BS right from the start.
They institute Metal detectors. They need to do it away from the gate but still in a possition so anyone entering (FOr the first or tenth time) Gets checked and not at the gate causing confusion and backups. SFSTL and PKI are two that come to mind that have it that way.
The only security issue I've noticed at Six flags and this is several of thier parks but not all is a TOTAL LACK OF SECURITY and Enforcement of park policies to begin with.
I kid you not, At PKI your probably never more than 100ft from a security person or actual Mason Police officer. (Many plain clothesd) unless your actually on a ride
Im not calling SFGADV unsafe but I did notice a shaddy aspect such as groups of teens sitting on drinking fountains and line cutting out the ass.
By Comparison. SFSTL had security everywhere and Ride ops that would actually tell people to quit bouncing basketballs in the station or be ushered from the park and actually had line jumpers removed.
The one time I needed security at SFKK it was 10 minutes before anyone arrived.
Chuck, who also knows the CF parks are well patrolled
majortom1981 said:
BUT i dont see that much of a problem.
Generally, I agree with you, but I do see the problem with a simple policy dictating the way you spend your day.
Don't think like a focused enthusiast, think like the average person who visits the local park once a year to blow a summer day.
No more just wandering the park, exploring and having mindless fun. Now you need an itinerary, plan and schedule.
People with kids I dont think would want to stay al lday anyway with there kids nagging them and stuff.
I'd be inclined to think just the opposite. In fact, just based on that post, I'm guessing you're younger and at the least, most certainly don't travel with family as the head of things. It sounds easy on paper but doesn't work that way in practice.
Again, I don't know what I think other than it won't affect me too much. I can see where it could affect others, but everyone I ask (other than 'enthusiasts') don't seem to see it as an issue.
Honestly, I suspect it's another case of enthusiasts not understanding the GP's wants and needs.
*** Edited 1/11/2006 10:07:27 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***
majortom1981 said:
Tickets stubs,cash/change credit cards/keys park map brochure can all be put in your wallet or pocket.Why not jsut buy the Souvenirs on the way out of the park ?
quote]Well, my response to this is that have you actually tried to pile all these things in your pocket and ride a coaster with lap restraints, not very comfortable and can sometimes be damaging to the items you have stuffed in there. I had this problem when I went to Knott's berry farm last summer. I had my camcorder, which is pretty slim, my wallet, my cell phone, my keys, loose money, and a few things here and there that I bought throughout the day, while getting ready to ride xcellerator.
Buying souvenirs at the end of the day can be very annoying because a lot of others have the same thing on their minds and you'll sometimes find yourself waiting for long periods of times to buy what ever.
B. Not allowing guests to re-enter the park is just plain old bad guest service. The basic principle is that you are expecting a family to invest a whole day at a park without allowing them out until they plan to go home. Not good!
The inability to get to one's medication is a huge problem. Saying you can store it at such-and-such a place won't wash with the GP...medications are (for the most part) an intensely personal thing, and having to check them into to a Medical station is going to stick in people's throats big-time. Having to pay money to store a potentially life-saving thing is not going to work either.
Plus, you're going to have to tell each guest who enters the park that they won't be able to go and fetch their medications during the day.
Refusing to allow them to re-enter when you didn't specifically tell them they couldn't leave is going to piss people off no end. Having it posted on a website isn't good enough...you can't assume people read the internet. It's going to have to be posted in BIG LETTERS at the ticket sales counter, and at the exit. Can't wait for the legal wrangles to start on this one.
When I go to a park, I usually leave a variety of things in my car. Depending what I'm planning on doing (which in turn depends on the line lengths, time of day, weather, what buddies I meet etc), I often go back to my car to change/collect a camera/get sunscreen/whatever. And that's aside from any allergy medication I need.
There is *no way* I'm paying to store my stuff in the park. Not going to happen, I just won't go to the park, period. Discretionary spending, I believe it's called.
2022 Trips: WDW, Sea World San Diego & Orlando, CP, KI, BGW, Bay Beach, Canobie Lake, Universal Orlando
When I visit most parks, I do so as GP. The only time I expect or even get any perks is at a event and I don't attend many of them and the majority of ENTHUSIAST don't either considering most events are attended by 30-1000 people Thats a small percentage of the EST 20,000 registered enthusiast.
I go to most parks to experience the park. Not just the coasters. I like to stay the majority of the day but unlike as a kid. I don't have to be there at opening.
I like to save a few bucks by having a twelve pack of soft drinks in the car but can be pursuaded by affordability of food, drink and items in the park.
I often visit Kennywood and spend another $50 while in the park over the course of the day snacking, buying souvineers and drinks because it's not a rip off to do so.
Same with HW and IB. I enjoy eating in the park and soaking up atmosphere, Buying a ice cream a T-Shirt or whatever because the impression they give is that it's affordable and not taking advantage of you.
Whats enthusiast about that???????
Nothing!
Your absolutely right on point B. It's a stupid policy and I don't need to rehash my reasons. It's not like there aren't any other options than Visiting SF. I could attend some Nascar Events for their price.
Take the whole family to the movies for One addmission price. Goto a Major League baseball game for about the same price
Oh hell, You can still get Cinncinnati Reds tickets for $6
I could take the family to our local race track and watch one hell of a saturday night evening of racing. Bring our own chips and popcorn for $50 total.
When the only thing other than rides a park has is service to bring people back, They need to think seriously about what they are doing.
The profit from one visit is nominal. The profit from ten visits over a couple years is what pays the bills.
Chuck
As for the comment about "12 - 14 hour" thing, I attended Vegoose, a two-day music festival here in Vegas. They had a no re-entry policy. It was warm during the day and cool at night.The stages were pretty far away from each other. We were there each day from 10:00AM to Midnight (schedule sound familiar?) We brought this great new invention called a "backpack." Had access to sweaters, water, etc. Yes, we actually were able to "carry" our stuff. ;-)
Charles said:
Actually your wrong IF on point A.When I visit most parks, I do so as GP. The only time I expect or even get any perks is at a event and I don't attend many of them and the majority of ENTHUSIAST don't either considering most events are attended by 30-1000 people Thats a small percentage of the EST 20,000 registered enthusiast.
I go to most parks to experience the park. Not just the coasters. I like to stay the majority of the day but unlike as a kid. I don't have to be there at opening.
I like to save a few bucks by having a twelve pack of soft drinks in the car but can be pursuaded by affordability of food, drink and items in the park.
I often visit Kennywood and spend another $50 while in the park over the course of the day snacking, buying souvineers and drinks because it's not a rip off to do so.
Same with HW and IB. I enjoy eating in the park and soaking up atmosphere, Buying a ice cream a T-Shirt or whatever because the impression they give is that it's affordable and not taking advantage of you.
Whats enthusiast about that???????
Nothing!
No. I agree with the "enthusiasts don't get the GP" thing. I say it a lot.
An enthusiast knows all about the parks and rides, visits multiple parks each year (often around the country or world), knows about ride manufactures, park management and thier staff, pocedures, technical aspects of rides and stuff like that. They join clubs of like minded individuals and spend time on realted internet forums discussing little details like park policies or capacity or per cap spending.
The average person visits their local park once or twice a year to ride some rollie coasters - often because the kids wanted to.
That's the real comparison. Not in park habits.
From the SFGAdv response:
At Six Flags Great Adventure, Theme/Safari combination tickets, 3-Park tickets, Theme/Safari season passes and 3-Park season passes do allow for same-day exiting and re-entry.
Ok, so what about us enthusiasts that have passes from other parks. Sounds like we're not covered and treated as single day visitors.
For example, we have Wyandot passes. Those only get me int the park - not the Safari or Hurricane Harbor. Our passes do not meet the above outlined requirements. As SF season passholder (not a SFGAdv passholder), I cannot re-enter the park, correct?
Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."
I go to minor league hockey games a lot, and yeah the arena has a no re-entry policy. But then again, the temperature is constant, the roof removes any need for sunglasses or rain gear. We don't have to walk miles to get to all the attractions (including food stands and restrooms). There's no need to bring along strollers. The most any of us has to carry is a beer and a burger. The dippin dots don't cost 4 bucks. There are no lockers. There's usually some kind of giveaway. We're only there for 3 hours, so I don't mind being told I can't leave and re-enter.
But thinking about it, most times I was at a park last summer, I had to go to the car whether it be to change wet clothes (PPP @ Knoebels), put away sunglasses and get a jacket (Dorney), get more film (Kennywood-- and I checked first whether any of the gift shops had what I wanted), or store a jar of tomato vodka sauce I didn't want to carry around with me all day (DelGrosso's). It wasn't about not paying for food. It wasn't a hassle at any of them, either on my part or the park's.
So why should SF suddenly be worried about people re-entering? I guess it galls them that they aren't getting every possible dime they can from their customers. And it's easier to force them to spend than to make them want to spend.
ApolloAndy said:
Heck. Even the theme-park only season pass holders can't get in again.
I didn't think they offered a theme park only season pass. On the website, it only shows the Theme Park/Safari or 3 park passes *** Edited 1/11/2006 11:22:56 PM UTC by YoshiFan*** *** Edited 1/11/2006 11:24:40 PM UTC by YoshiFan***
PARK RE-ENTRY
To leave the park and return later the same day, you must get your hand stamped. Re-enter through the Same Day Re-Entry Gate. For parking re-entry, present your parking receipt at the parking lot toll booth. Season Passholders must also re-enter through the re-entry gate.
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