New Wooden coaster for Six Flags St. Louis

Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:51 AM
matt.'s avatar

Intamin Fan said:
Maryland is the richest state in the country. Parts of D.C. and the D.C. suburbs are filthy-rich as well.

First of all...what? Why is this a point being made? Good job, you folks in Maryland are loaded. Should we break out the pancakes? Scratching my head over this one.


Intamin Fan said:
Do you have Knoebels, Hersheypark, Kennywood, Busch Gardens Europe, Dorney Park, King's Dominion, and Great Adventure within those driving distances?

Someone who lives in the St. Louis metro area or somewhat close to the St. Louis metro area potentially has at least Celebration City, Silver Dollar City, Holiday World, Worlds of Fun, and SFKK within an easy drive of their home.

I believe the digs at SFA have been made at BatwingSFA for years (and years and years) in an attempt to get him to stop making every single thread about SFA but I suppose others are fine with taking up the SFA cause, too.

I will say that an argument that essentially points out how much of a dump SFA is "But look at the other parks that are much better all around" isn't really helping whatever arguments the SFA crowd would like to make. :)

Anyway, based on the rendering this looks a lot different from Thunderbird, it will be interesting to see if we get more pictures later. *** Edited 9/27/2007 10:57:03 AM UTC by matt.***

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Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:50 AM
^I believe I-Fan's point is, without the necessary infrastructure improvements that need to be made to SFA, the money that should be flowing into SFA is flowing into other area parks instead. There are alot of reasons for that and some are beyond the parks control and for that matter SFI control.

*** Edited 9/27/2007 11:54:37 AM UTC by coasterguts***


A day at the park is what you make it!

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Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:25 AM
Sorry to bring everyone off the name topic but in the announcement of the ride it says the ride wont open until the middle of the summer 2008. Is getting rides open on time another item Shapiro has quickly lost site of? whats the deal there? And why will it take that long they have already pretty much cleared the site and look ready to start pouring the footers if they haven't. All very bizzare.
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Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:58 AM
Looks like a nice, compact ride- the complete opposite of both The Boss and Screamin' Eagle. SFStL will have a nice variety of wood coasters.
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Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:27 AM
rollergator's avatar ^When I saw the rendering, my first thought was "looks kinda like OzCat".
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Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:34 AM
It does, with the exception of a first drop that doesn't curve beneath the lift structure. I see some similarities to Thunderbird, but mostly in the path of the track, not so much the track elevations.
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Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:28 PM
matt.'s avatar

IntaminHater said:
Is getting rides open on time another item Shapiro has quickly lost site of? whats the deal there?

I'd rather they say it's gonna open midsummer and have it open way early then say it's going to open spring and then end up opening way late.

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Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:49 PM
Lets call it the Cool Ghool

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Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:32 PM
I can understand why people get upset when these parks name thier rides because it seems that these desicions are not very well thought out. I mean Evil Knivel is cool and all but it is soooooooo 70's. I beleive these parks should use more contemporary names/imagery.
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Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:37 PM
Wow, with the addition of the new woodie, that makes 4 parks in a row geographically with three wooden coasters.

SFStl-Boss, Eagle, Knievel
HW-Voyage, Raven, Legend
SFKK-Thunder Run, Twisted Twins
KI-Racer, SOB, Beast, Odd Coaster

Unprecedented.

Add In Beech Bend or IB too, that area just has so many wooden coasters.


Chattanooga needs a [B][I]ITG2[/I][/B] Machine!
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Saturday, September 29, 2007 8:15 PM

matt. said:

Intamin Fan said:
Maryland is the richest state in the country. Parts of D.C. and the D.C. suburbs are filthy-rich as well.


First of all...what? Why is this a point being made? Good job, you folks in Maryland are loaded. Should we break out the pancakes? Scratching my head over this one.

I bring this up genius because if you've got a wealthy target demographic like SFGAM or SFGAdv., wouldn't you think to yourself, "Hmmm..., maybe we should add something of substance there everyone once in a while so people aren't taking their money to PA, or VA?"

I've been quite explicit over the years too that it doesn't have to be anything grand. A wild mouse, a Zierer junior coaster, some new flats, whatever...We already have the hypercoaster, the launched coaster, the inverted boomerang, two woodies, the flyer, and an SLC.


Intamin Fan said:
Do you have Knoebels, Hersheypark, Kennywood, Busch Gardens Europe, Dorney Park, King's Dominion, and Great Adventure within those driving distances?


Matt said:Someone who lives in the St. Louis metro area or somewhat close to the St. Louis metro area potentially has at least Celebration City, Silver Dollar City, Holiday World, Worlds of Fun, and SFKK within an easy drive of their home.

You know, maybe it's because I live on the East Coast, but I've never heard Celebration City, Silver Dollar City, Worlds of Fun, or SFKK put into the same league as Hersheypark, Kennywood, or Busch Gardens Europe.


Matt said: I believe the digs at SFA have been made at BatwingSFA for years (and years and years) in an attempt to get him to stop making every single thread about SFA but I suppose others are fine with taking up the SFA cause, too.

A little history lesson is needed when it comes to BFSFA. There's a huge difference between crying that SFA sucks because it doesn't have a B&M like BFSFA, and what other people who attend the park have been saying.

I think BFSFA got stuck on a B&M after the original planning came out for the rebranding in 1999. One of the things on the list was a 140ft. standup coaster. As we all know, the only company left making those was B&M, and even they said "Enough," after Georgia Scorcher. Batwing became the replacement for that in the planning.

Trust me, the others of us who go to the park won't turn every thread into the 'I'm never going back to SFA' like BFSFA has. I still enjoy riding Wild One, Joker's Jinx, and S:ROS.

Were any of my friends who go to the park surprised by the lack of new additions this year? Absolutely not. But my 28-year-old sister whose a non-enthusiast has even asked me "Why do all these other parks get new stuff and we don't?"

Most of us go to the park a few times a year, buy our cheap season-passes and go to other Six Flags parks that get new stuff like Great Adventure, and trust me, we really don't like going to Great Adventure all that much because it costs so damn much to go up and back when you factor in the $20 in tolls plus gas.


Matt said:
I will say that an argument that essentially points out how much of a dump SFA is "But look at the other parks that are much better all around" isn't really helping whatever arguments the SFA crowd would like to make. :)

Listen, SFA could look as good as some of these other parks, and have a fighting chance against some of them as well. I've always thought the front half of the park is fine, especially with the Hurricane Harbor makeover. Where the ball got dropped big-time was in Gotham City by the previous ownership. At least that received some TLC this year.

*** Edited 9/27/2007 10:57:03 AM UTC by matt.***


*** Edited 9/30/2007 12:17:44 AM UTC by Intamin Fan***
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Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:08 PM
matt.'s avatar You original statement was this:

"Well, if you're going to call someone out, then call them out. Don't just make some blanket statement that could offend a lot of people. For better or worse, there are lot of people who live in the Baltimore/D.C./Virginia area who have SFA as their homepark. Maryland is the richest state in the country. Parts of D.C. and the D.C. suburbs are filthy-rich as well."

You didn't connect your point about Maryland's wealth to anything so I only assumed you were somehow saying that (maybe? I dunno) that offended people in Maryland would be a bad idea because they were loaded. Those were the two ideas I connected because they were in the same paragraph. The sarcastic "genius" is a bit rich, but I mean, ok.

"You know, maybe it's because I live on the East Coast, but I've never heard Celebration City, Silver Dollar City, Worlds of Fun, or SFKK put into the same league as Hersheypark, Kennywood, or Busch Gardens Europe."

I never implied that (although I would argue that SDC is way up there on the list of beloved parks) but then again I have no idea what your point was. All I read was a "Take that, SFA" jab directed at Batwing and then you go listing all the good parks surrounding SFA. I don't get it. Still scratching my head. To me all it proves is how lousy SFA is in comparison and I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you were going for.

I'm going to try to leave this alone now. I was trying to get some clarification on where any of this was coming from but I all I can gather is it's just a bunch of unprovoked hyper-defensiveness that still doesn't make much sense to me, motivation and content-wise. *** Edited 9/30/2007 2:10:49 AM UTC by matt.***

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Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:59 PM

matt. said:
You original statement was this:

All I read was a "Take that, SFA" jab directed at Batwing and then you go listing all the good parks surrounding SFA. I don't get it. Still scratching my head. To me all it proves is how lousy SFA is in comparison and I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you were going for.

I'm going to try to leave this alone now. I was trying to get some clarification on where any of this was coming from but I all I can gather is it's just a bunch of unprovoked hyper-defensiveness that still doesn't make much sense to me, motivation and content-wise. *** Edited 9/30/2007 2:10:49 AM UTC by matt.***


I'm going to make this really simple since your still scratching your head. The statement said "Take that, SFA. Ha." It does not say "Take that, BatwingFanSFA. Ha." Notice the huge difference?

I also felt that the guy making that statment was trying to proclaim that the area he's in is somehow more superior than where I live, because they're getting two coasters in a row.

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Monday, October 1, 2007 1:27 AM
I wouldn't call it a huge difference. I am by all means sorry for not typing everything that I was thinking at the time.

I don't know how that statement would make you feel I was trying to say St. Louis area was superior over anything.

I think Maryland having money has nothing to do with amusement parks and everything to do with our government. My travels to homeless capital of our nation showed me that the politians obviously don't live in DC, they live outside of DC. Maryland being the smaller land mass state (instead of VA) makes sense why it could be considered one of the most wealthy.

While the only titles St. Louis has is 2006 World Series Champs and Most Dangerous City. In which I'm not proud of either (since I am a Cubs fan). I don't see how that comes off as superior?

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Monday, October 1, 2007 9:46 AM
I live in the northern NJ/NYC area, home of the 26-time World Series Champion New York Yankees. I'm clearly better than all of you, combined. ;)
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Monday, October 1, 2007 9:51 AM
If you have to say "the northern NJ/NYC area", that means you live in New Jersey, not New York. Last time I checked, the home of the New York Yankees was indeed New York. Not New Jersey.

(Of course, the New York Giants and Jets confuse the issue, but c'est la vie.)

It would be even more amusing if you were geographically closer to Shea than to Yankee Stadium, seeing as how the Mets just experienced one of the greatest collapses in sports history.


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Monday, October 1, 2007 10:08 AM
I absolutely live in northern NJ but around here a lot of people associate themselves with the NYC market (actually, it's the NY/NJ/Fairfield County, CT market if you want to get official) because many things that serve the area are based in NYC. The Yankees are definitely located in NYC, but if the Giants and Jets can play in NJ and call themselves NY teams because they serve the "greater NY metro area" then the same applies to all teams in the area.

I'm geographically close to Yankee Stadium (35 minute drive if there's no traffic) which is fine because I never wanted to associate myself with the Mets, even before their epic meltdown.

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Friday, November 30, 2007 5:01 PM
Olsor's avatar Well, this is unfortunate:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/11/30/kneviel.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

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Friday, November 30, 2007 5:05 PM
Mamoosh's avatar Considering his checkered past the ride should never have been named for him in the first place.
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Friday, November 30, 2007 6:02 PM
Moosh, Who besides him are the last American Folk Hero?

I'll grant ya the checkered past, But he was huge.

Chuck

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