New types of rollercoasters.

I agree with Mantis. Soon your average hyper will just become boring, and people will be just like, "That was fun, lets do something else." Not, "That was really scary, I want to do that again!" I mean maybe we are just being a little cynical because the majority of us don't really get scared on coasters any more. I think that we have really built to the max, I mean TTD, which is 420 feet tall, cost 50 million to build and it just goes up and down. I doubt the prices of coasters are going to go down, so I doubt we will see a strata out and back.

The coaster industry needs to come out with some new things, for example Maurier Schone with their new design of cars. Spinning cars on hypers, mouse cars on inverts, S&S squirrel coaster where the hairpin turns actually turn the car inverted and right side up on each turn. Otherwise, in about 20 to 30 years the enthusiasts and the GP will be very bored with the theme park industry.

I think we have really exhausted the track types, (although that is a pretty non idealistic approach) - I mean we haven't seen a coaster that right side up is when the track is turned at 90 degrees, but I can't think of much else that we haven't seen. I am probably being a naive american right now but what ever.

So that really leaves us to the cars. The way we ride things can enhance the ride, but also be very gimmicky. I mean to see a louge (sorry about spelling) style would enhance the feeling of speed. But there are almost endless opportunities with the car when there is only so high we can go, and so many ways that we can turn ourselves upside down. And soon after we have exhausted all ride types, the motion simulator (improved) will be a very good friend.

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coasterMNguy... said:
TTD, which is 420 feet tall, cost 50 million to build .............And soon after we have exhausted all ride types, the motion simulator (improved) will be a very good friend.

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MF cost under $24m, man :)

The last comment reminded me of coaster TV shows from the late 80's (remember Nova?) All these "experts" claimed that there could be pretty much nothing else new with coasters and that we would all be riding simulators and not coasters by now :) *** Edited 3/30/2004 6:30:39 AM UTC by Peabody***

The S&S Squirrel design is one hell of a coaster. However, most parks will order a slightly larger version. Possibly even with a high speed launch to it. I doubt this will ever come about but what a thought. And to the remark about standups losing a fan base, I say you're totally wrong. Mantis (the resident standup at CP and the roller coaster love of my life) still serves a really good number of guests a day. Mantis always had at least a 45 min to 1 hour line. Even on the slowest of days. What are some ideas that you guys have about what is coming in the future?

If Cedar Point were to build a new coaster, I think it would go near the Magnum in the parking lot where no one parks. it's always empty when I am there. It would be interesting to know what they are planning for 2005, I'd like to see a Dragster-type coaster with inversions and other elements. maybe not as fast as TTD, but still as exciting

They already have one...they wouldn't buy another. I see something from B&M coming...because they are reliable and smooth. Public loves B&M even though they might not know it...

I highly doubt they would emliminate any parking. The Soak City lot is used. Mostly on extremely busy days. I have seen the park so full that every space (including staff spaces) were being used. They can't afford to get rid of any parking lots. If anything they could do with more parking. I am probably going to be burned at the stake for saying this, but I don't see a couple of the coasters lasting much longer. This is based on their ages and the lack of excitement over them. Personally, I see WildCat making an exit, with Iron Dragon and/or Corkscrew not far behind. These rides are old, increasingly hard to maintain, and well, just no fun. I admit, they are really great for the ppl who have never ridden a coaster (and sadly, yes, they do exist) and most of all kids to take their maiden voyage into the realm of roller coasters. I have worked on WildCat and I have seen a lot of kids who made WildCat their first. I agree with Kyle. B&M is creating new concepts for coasters. Maybe they're not as fast or as high as TTD but they are still incredible coasters. B&M coasters are incredibly reliable and just as popular as they ever have been. I mean take Raptor for instance. Raptor is never a walk-on ride. There is always a huge wait and their daily operation numbers are higher than MF despite the popularity of MF. My only concern with a B&M coaster is that most parks have already built and had only mediocre success with the new models. Cedar Point will not EVER settle for mediocre. B&M would have to step up to the plate and create something so new and so gut wrenchinly awesome (such as Raptor) that the public has no choice but to look twice and fall in love with it. But what can B&M do that is new now? They've been down most every road and well...is there something they're missing?

Why must you take coasters out even, you act like Cedar Point has a space problem. ;)

I'll keep my mouth shut on the space issue, to say that MiA needs to get that new coaster, but they won't until other problems are taken care of.

Hey, where are the other MiA people this time of year?

I don't think that anything should be taken out. I enjoy all the rides at Cedar Point. I would however, like to see another woodie, but a B&M would be nice too. Cedar Point always puts in good rides, and I know that whatever they put in will be great. I dont care what it is, but I just hope that CP keeps em' comming!

See the space issue is another problem Cedar Point faces, but I have this Geauga Lake, Cedar Point little mega world envisioned lol. I think that they could eventually build a monorail from GL to CP and it would only take like 10 minutes to get there...then you got all the space in the world for more coasters or they could just expand land, build on the water even. Add on to the peninsula. You never know with Cedar Point. They always find a way to fix problems.

Right. Just like the monorail from Downtown Sandusky to the pinnensula?

Never. Going. To. Happen.

CPboiler said

I enjoy all the rides at Cedar Point. I would however, like to see another woodie

well this is what i heard

i would really love a woodie at cp they need another one i heard from an employee that there planning on building a woodie there within th next 5 years but i heard this 2 years ago i think it will be in 2005 or 2oo7

Michael....I can dream can't I? ;)

why do you say sadly

Peabody, I understand that MF was 24 million, but adding an extra 100 feet would be quite costly. I we could probably figure out a way to build as high as we want, but the parks have economic limits. Unfortunately, the price of coasters, nor the amount of money parks have to spend on coasters will not change drastically enough to make a big influence on what parks can build.

Changing subjects, for TTD, was it the hydraulic launch system that accounted most for the cost of the coaster, or how much did the height of the coaster account for the cost?

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cedar fair dude said:i heard from an employee that there planning on building a woodie there within th next 5 years but i heard this 2 years ago i think it will be in 2005 or 2oo7

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Lemon Chill guy's been saying this for 10 years...and not in run-on sentences!

(welcome to Cbuzz...read the TOS) *** Edited 4/1/2004 4:23:34 AM UTC by Peabody***

I don't see another woody in the future. The woody revolution is kinda done for with the new wave of coasters. Who wants to ride something that's gonna beat the crap outta your body when you can ride a silky smooth steel beast. Ok, that sounded so incredibly wrong, but y'all get it. LOL However, I'm lovin the GL/CP monorail thing. Sounds cool.

Beat the crap outa you? You must have never ridden a well maintained CCI. Something the quality of Legend, Ghostrider, etc. would be awesome at CP. Still don't see it happening, though....

No, I've only ridden 3 woodys. Bluestreak, Meanstreak, and Gemini. Gemini was the only pleasant one of the bunch! LOL I would like to see another one like Gemini with the steel track on a wood frame. Makes for a much smoother ride. Possibly a woody with theming. They need to bring back hardcore theming to rides.

Gemini is smooth because it's not a wood coaster. Steel track= steel coaster. They did build another one (at Valleyfair) but that was it. Never caught on (if you want a steel feeling, ride a steel coaster :) )

Theming? Not for CP...it's not their thing, and hasn't done well for them in the past. CP knows it is other park's strength and it won't be theirs. They have there niche :) Although I'd love to see it, CP will also probably never have the money to do theming like an E-ticket ride. *** Edited 4/1/2004 7:06:32 AM UTC by Peabody***

The monorail idea is a cute dream, but could never happen in a million years for about a million reason...I think we all can agree on that! :)