New Six Flags in AZ?

Well Boston has Canobie Lake Park which is no more then 10 minutes away. And Boston is about 90 minutes from SFNE, and atleast 90 mins from RI, 2 hours for me. So SFNE has a lot of people from all around NE to go to it.

I have heard the same rumors for years in West Virginia, but I don't see a Six Flags Over West Virginia anytime in the future, maybe when pigs fly. :-)

-Tina

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-CO

Playa! Now you exposed the biggest secret of all! Shame on you.....;-)

-Tina

Who could forget about Six Flags Over Tennessee? That never scoped out either, although Nashville could use a new park.

Six Flags Over Hawaii? Now THAT would be interesting. ;-) You could get *leid* everytime you enter the park. :-D

-Tina

Shawn don't be so quick to say Nashville couldn't support a park. Afterall, we had Opryland for over 20 years. The city and surrounding states supported it...the company who bought it out didn't (as evidenced by them letting it grow stagnant). The metro council is actually having a meeting tonight about a proposed theme park study. Hopefully, I'll have some good news to report soon. Now, I'm not really interested in having a Six Flags park here since we have SFKK, SFOG, and SFStL all within a day's drive. I'd love something new and different here however!

Id like Busch or Cedar Fair, imagine a cedar fair theme park. Odd.

Yeah that'd be sweeeet! Cedar Fair was cited as a prime example in the 2 leading council members' suggestion.

I’m confused. Am I getting a terrain coaster in the Grand Canyon or not?

You're right Jim on mentionning how La Ronde was distressed and could give SF good return on investment. Today, a TV channel released that this year, althrough we only got a 3-D show (spongebob 3-D) and a standard Shoot the Chutes, La Ronde has record attendance! Add to that that june as well as beginning july in montreal was just plain horrible in term of weather... they still get record crowds.

Six Flags doesn't build parks from scratch?

I would beg to differ with SFGAm's new waterpark being built this offseason.

While it isn't on the same page as a built-from-scratch amusement park, it certaintly demonstrates a desire to build a park that doesn't exist.

Land clearing, infrastructure, and attractions of a brand spanking new waterpark in Gurnee certainly makes Six Flags a build-a-new-park type of business.

The Nashville metro council meeting tonight approved the resolution for the proposed theme park study. I just saw it on the 11 o'clock news. This is certainly good news for us! Sorry to sway this thread...you can resume talk about SF in AZ.

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coasterqueenTRN said:
I have heard the same rumors for years in West Virginia, but I don't see a Six Flags Over West Virginia anytime in the future, maybe when pigs fly. :-)

-Tina

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Oink! ;)

-Jim

Thriller, Yes, it is good that council approved, but this is a long way from a done deal. Unless the city wants to build a park themselves, using city money or even bonds (recall visionland) the study doesn't guarentee that they will find someone to build a park. A typical developer will have to do their own feasibility to determine the viability. Nashiville did support Opryland, but remember, it took years and millions of dollars to get to the point it was when it closed. To get a park of that scale today would not get an investor a good return on the investment. I'm all for new parks, but they have to be properly scaled.

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Chitown said:
Land clearing, infrastructure, and attractions of a brand spanking new waterpark in Gurnee certainly makes Six Flags a build-a-new-park type of business.

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But by that very loose definition, so are the folks that own Visionland. By that definition, Paramount and Cedar Fair are flat-out new park-buildin' fools (KBF's Soak City and Castaway Bay for CF, two Boomerang Bays for Paramount) and SF is wayyyyy behind the curve.

It still doesn't add up to much.

-'Playa *** Edited 8/18/2004 1:49:30 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***

Ok now i know i will probably get slammed for this but....

NYC is definitely going to SFGAdv.. go there and you hear are new york accents in most lines.

as for places for amusement parks yes nashville or tennessee would probably be the next best place to build one... say between nashville and memphis... not right in either on but somewhere where both cities can be drawn from like SFGAdv does (philly and NYC) or SFA (Baltimore and Washington)?

Also I am 90% sure you will NEVER see a park in Hawaii. Why? I just came back from hawaii and they said ... you supposedly can't buy land in Hawaii. So to use the land you'd have to pay the current owner a portion of the profits or some kind of outrageous lease for the land... Avg house cost there is $410,000 for a house you can see into your neighbors windows from and that don't include the land... tell me who is gonna pay a lease like this?

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CoastaPlaya said:
You should have heard the investors' questions on the last conference call. "When are you selling another park? So what would make you consider selling another park? Okay, so let's say your strategies and plans don't work again. What parks would you sell first?"

- 'Playa

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This is an excellent point. You get a real feel for what the investment community thinks (and that's who the management of a public company REALLY cares about) by listening to the quarterly conference calls. They're generally available online to anyone who wants to listen (usually under an "investment relations" area on the company's site.)

I have a feeling that if SF announced building a brand new park from the ground up right now, Wall St. would freak. Plus, with a debt load approximately 2x annual sales (not income, but SALES), I can't imagine who would risk financing it.

Those "new park" rumors never seem to die... Growing up in Ohio, I always heard rumors that Disney had "bought thousands of acres" near Buckeye Lake, and was going to build a new park there. While living in Texas a few years ago, I kept hearing about how Disney had "bought thousands of acres"... It was the exact same rumor...just switching "Central Ohio" for "Central Texas"

Joel

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CoastaPlaya said:

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Chitown said:
Land clearing, infrastructure, and attractions of a brand spanking new waterpark in Gurnee certainly makes Six Flags a build-a-new-park type of business.

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It still doesn't add up to much.

-'Playa

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I have to agree with 'Playa here - there is no way you can consider Six Flags a "build-a-new-park type of business" simply because they're going to rip up some parking lot and install some waterslides etc. While, admittedly, there is a LOT of logistics involved in building a waterpark, it's simply not close enough to the scale of building a fully functional theme/amusement park from the ground up to start claiming that Six Flags is now in the business of "building parks".

Though, I have to say, if they decide to build a Schlitterbahn type/size water park, I'll retract the above statement ;)

Back to topic, I have to say I don't see Six Flags deciding to open up the checkbook to add another park to their portfolio at this point - let alone BUILDING a new park to add to their family of parks. I think they have to get their "ship" under better control financially before they drop dime on a new (or used) park. *** Edited 8/18/2004 3:09:18 PM UTC by MrSkyWhirl***

I live in the southeast Phoenix area. We really could use a major amusement park. Phoenix could support a year round park. We do get quite a few tourists in the fall, winter and spring months. One of the problems here is the location as every city seems to complain about traffic. We are surrounded by indian reservations which would actually be nice places to put one.

We do have one small amusement park with 2 smaller coasters called Castles 'n' Coasters. This is a year round park that seems to be doing okay. You'd be surprised how many folks visit it in the summer.