New idea for inverteds
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Jubile Odessey is a hyper inverted
Wicked Twister is a hyper inverted
If Colossos is a hyper woodie then Alpie is a hyper inverted
There is also another hyper SLC confirmed for Terra Mitca in 2003(world's tallest inverted was also said by press)
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Just to point out if Wicket Twister Is a Hyper Then Magnum Wasent The First hyper. Moonsault scramble was built above 200ft before magnum but everyone says it dosent have the title because its a shuttle. therefore if WT is a hyper magnum wasent the first :p
PS the invert at Terra Mitica isent Vekoma despite what it says on my site at the current time lol (intamin anyone?)
Olov said: Back to the topic, I shouldn't say that there wont be any Hyper Inverted O&B layout but to me it would look pretty odd, i see Inverteds as an intense inversion ride sometimes with one or two airtime hills alá Pyrenees .
Pyreenes had 0 airtime hills last time I rode it.
A hyper coaster is a coaster which consist of a 200+ foot drop. If it was about the lift hill, there would be a group of hypers that would be off the list because their height is 197-199 feet and other coaster would be back on the list because of their height but not their drop. Then if it was about drop, then coasters like Magnum XL 200 and MY Titan would not be considered a hyper and Bandit would in fact be considered the first hyper coaster then along with that Phantom Revenge would be a hyper coaster too . So let's the part saying that height makes you a hyper coaster, btu then Manhattan Express is in fact a hyper looper alongwith Speed, Mr.Freeze, and The Chillers! Note:Moonsault Scrambler was first coaster over 200 feet in height and in drop.
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This is my opinion on the qualifications in my eyes.. The coaster has to follow these 2 things to qualify to be a hyper.
1.) It must be full circuit
2.) It must have a drop of at least 200 feet tall. the lift hill doesnt necessarily have to be 200 feet.
Please note that this is only my opinion and should be taken as such!!!!
ME's tallest drop is 140 feet so it technically doesnt qualify as being a hypercoaster.
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roomraider said:
Just to point out if Wicket Twister Is a Hyper Then Magnum Wasent The First hyper. Moonsault scramble was built above 200ft before magnum but everyone says it dosent have the title because its a shuttle. therefore if WT is a hyper magnum wasent the first :p
PS the invert at Terra Mitica isent Vekoma despite what it says on my site at the current time lol (intamin anyone?)
Mine came from the press on a Spanish coaster site. ( I had to have the site translated), it said hyper inverted was confirmed and had a quotes from media. I don't know who is making it, but it sounded a lot like Venkoma as well. I don't think Paramount has done any coasters with Intiman either.
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Chris Godsey said:
This is my opinion on the qualifications in my eyes.. The coaster has to follow these 2 things to qualify to be a hyper.
1.) It must be full circuit
2.) It must have a drop of at least 200 feet tall. the lift hill doesnt necessarily have to be 200 feet.
Please note that this is only my opinion and should be taken as such!!!!
ME's tallest drop is 140 feet so it technically doesnt qualify as being a hypercoaster.
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That would mean that Bandit is a hyper coaster and Magnum XL 200 is not a hyper.
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Vertigo said:
Pyreenese had 0 airtime hills last time I rode it.
Not to doubt you or anything, but if so, then what is that piece of track jumping the queue in this picture (On the right): http://ft.coasterwire.com/bm/pyrene1.gif
Or this: http://ft.coasterwire.com/bm/pyrene7.jpg
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Vortexguy said:
Vertigo said:
Pyreenese had 0 airtime hills last time I rode it.
Not to doubt you or anything, but if so, then what is that piece of track jumping the queue in this picture (On the right): http://ft.coasterwire.com/bm/pyrene1.gif
Or this: http://ft.coasterwire.com/bm/pyrene7.jpg
That was the incline into the station, not an really an airtime hill, an multiple B&Ms have that little bounce into the station like Talon and Great Bear. We're talking about an actual element of the ride, not a 6 foot drop into the station.
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The rules of Hypers are always confused. IMO its a coaster with a structure or drop height above 60m (not 200ft lol. This is another intresting thing as Intamin, Vekoma and B&M say 60m and Arrow say 200ft, i guess its coz u americans still use ft and we use m lol anyway) I think it can have inversions like Steel Phantom and can be wooden.
Things change with time (like the goo goo dolls music style and those purple carrots (dun ask me why i stuck that in)) and i guess so do definitions.
Oh yeah as stated before pyrenees does have an Air Time hill as far as i can see. admitedly i aint ridden it but as my pictures above show and the rest here http://ft.coasterwire.com/bm there is something lol.
Edit: just seen your post. Thats alot more than 6ft it drops quite a bit further. look at the pics on the link i provided and its deffinatly more than a hop into the station.
The Terra Mitica thing was mentioned in a newspaper as Vekoma but i recived some intresting e-mails recently saying it most deffinatly isent. That leaves in my mind Intamin, B&M and pinfari. The trains on the Terra Mitica Woodie are Intamin so my first thought is intamin. anyone else?
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I don't think Paramount has done any coasters with Intiman either.
*cough* Volcano: The Blast Coaster *cough*
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Put a lapbar on it like rollersoaker's!
ponga un lapbar en él tienen gusto de los rollersoaker!
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joey isch said:
Lallen, do you honestly think a park like Indiana Beach could afford a giga-coaster? lol
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No.......and I never claimed it could. I'm just saying that it would be nice if one of the "less known" parks could get something really big for a change. It is vital that patronage at these parks be kept up, or they will sink into oblivion.
Going back to building an inverted hyper. The issues have nothing to do with wheels really. The structure is going to be significantly more expensive than that for a standard hyper though. Also, you just don't get as much of a view at the top.
An inverted hyper would also be very expensive to build because many of the inversions become enormous at the high speed of a hyper. Alpengeist deals with this by having most of its inversions located over ground that is much higher than the lowest point of the ride.
What causes wheel problems is heat which is a function of speed, G forces, the duration of the G forces, and train weight.
laurence said:
i believe that an inverted hyper coaster would be very hard to achieve as all the force put on the wheels at the bottom of hills could make them shatter, so new wheels would have to be developed to stand strong against the forces.
Shatter? What, are wheels made of glass? Why would the same mass be any heavier or pull any stronger G's just because it was under the track? It wouldn't.
I suppose Alpengiest is the closest thing we've got, and frankly I'm not convinced they need to be any bigger than that. The elements are giant, not doing much to disorient like the smaller rides.
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The simplest way to figure out if a coaster is a hyper or not is to... Only categorize it as wood, steel non-looper, or steel looper! Another way that really works is look at what the manufacurer calls it. Intamin, therefore, doesn't make hypers. Don't the nameplates all say Megacoasters? Same with B&M, they don't make hypers, they make megas. I think that would mean Steel Eel is a hyper, because doesn't Morgan call thier coasters hypers? Get my picture?
If you're going by height, I go by if it's taller than 200 feet or has a 200+ foot drop, and is full circut.
laurence, why would the forces cause the wheels to shatter? I don't think inverted trains weigh that much more than a normal train. The forces are the same. If train A is inverted, B not, and both weigh 20 tons each, the forces are the same on the top, bottom, and side wheels to both coasters. Pulling forces, pushing, it doesn't matter. The wheel can't feel the difference.
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When did American Eagle get more airtime than Viper?
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