New idea for inverteds

Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:27 AM

It just came to my mind that a cool idea for a new coaster would be to have an inverted gigacoaster. I can just picture the long, long, angled descent from 300 ft up. Then we could have it built in a park that would really benefit from having such a coaster. Maybe somewhere like KBF or IB?

And while I'm on this subject.......excuse my apparent ignorance....but are there any inverted hypercoasters?

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:29 AM

Lallen said:

And while I'm on this subject.......excuse my apparent ignorance....but are there any inverted hypercoasters?



One could make the argument that Wicked Twister is an inverted hyper. Its a stretch, but technically true.

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:32 AM

i believe that an inverted hyper coaster would be very hard to achieve as all the force put on the wheels at the bottom of hills could make them shatter, so new wheels would have to be developed to stand strong against the forces.

also, hyper coasters are all about air time, and you dont really get that much air time in an inverted car due to the OTS restraint (unless it is on a bunny hop like dueling dragons!)

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:32 AM

Alpie is the tallest full circuit at 190'.

Jubilee Odysey (sp?) is coming in at 265' this summer.

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:35 AM

ok, while alpengeist is not a hyper-coaster, i dont think 3-5 ft will put that much more strain on the train and the structure itself.

hyper-inverts are probably very possible, but the main idea behind a hyper is not to have alot of inversions, but instead airtime and speed.

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:35 AM

Laurence: Supposedly Deja Vu pulls 4.5 G. I don't think MF pulls much more than that, if at all. In other words, the wheels on Deja Vu would be fine for a giga.

Hyper coasters are all about air time, because they use bunny hops (some very large). What's wrong with taking the DD hill and repeating it just like a hyper? It'll give you just as much air as DD did over and over and over, and you can mix in some inversions too.

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:37 AM

by the way, the height of odyssey (as the ride is now called) at fantasy island is only 185ft and the only record it holds is longest inverted in the world.

seems like vekoma were lying with the statistics!

also, inverted coasters are all about inversions as i feel they would be a little boring without them. and hypers are not supposed to contain any inversions at all, so one of the best aspects of inverted coasters would be lost!

*** This post was edited by laurence on 5/16/2002. ***

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:43 AM

anyone want to make a no limits inverted hyper coaster (maybe just change magnum or something into an inverted) just so we can all see what it would be like??

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:03 AM
You could always mix inversions and bunny hills into an inverted hyper you know.

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:09 AM

laurence said:

by the way, the height of odyssey (as the ride is now called) at fantasy island is only 185ft and the only record it holds is longest inverted in the world.

seems like vekoma were lying with the statistics!

also, inverted coasters are all about inversions as i feel they would be a little boring without them. and hypers are not supposed to contain any inversions at all, so one of the best aspects of inverted coasters would be lost!

*** This post was edited by laurence on 5/16/2002. ***


It was actually the park that fabricated the height. They have a tendency to stretch the truth from time to time....IE Millenium coaster

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:20 AM

laurence said:

by the way, the height of odyssey (as the ride is now called) at fantasy island is only 185ft and the only record it holds is longest inverted in the world.

seems like vekoma were lying with the statistics!

also, inverted coasters are all about inversions as i feel they would be a little boring without them. and hypers are not supposed to contain any inversions at all, so one of the best aspects of inverted coasters would be lost!

*** This post was edited by laurence on 5/16/2002. ***



Hmmm the name is still Jubilee Odyssey as i can see... http://www.fantasyisland.co.uk/newseasfr.htm

And sponsored by KitKat... http://www.geocities.com/odysseycoaster/news.html scroll down abit.

Back to the topic, I shouldn't say that there wont be any Hyper Inverted O&B layout but to me it would look pretty odd, i see Inverteds as an intense inversion ride sometimes with one or two airtime hills alá Pyrenees :).

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:22 AM
Who says hypers can't have inversions? I thought the only qualification of a coaster being a hyper is that the lift hill had to be over 200 ft. Think of the elements you could put into a coaster that moves as fast as MF!! Use your imaginations, fellow enthusiasts! Let's not be burdened by "thou shalt not"s! :)
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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:27 AM
The inverted elements would have to be big because of the g-force. it would work, but it would cost an awful lot of money and it would be damn rough
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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:28 AM

a hyper coaster is a steel coaster based on a woodie design, so i dont really think a hyper coaster can have inversions in.

and it is only called odyssey as the ride wasnt granted something to make it related to the jubilee or something like that

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:29 AM

Yeah, I'm sure the price tag would be astronomical.........but why would it be rough? I'm picturing a 300 ft drop going into a 200 ft cobra roll.........mmmm........;)

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:30 AM

well....if a 200' tall lift is "the criteria", the the old SP wouldn't count....if a 200' drop is used, it would....

but back to topic, how many inverteds are there that drop straight off the lift....none that I know of....the designof the trains makes it very hard to have classic bunny-hops because you don't want riders with legs extended getting hurt by the car in front of them tilting back.....Fire Dragon has the best airtime of any inverted I've been on, and I absolutely love the sensation, but an O-n-B invert, I don't think we'll see it antyime soon (unless there's a major innovation in train design)....

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:30 AM
Lallen: You are absolutely right. Hypercoasters can have inversions. Hell, Millennium Force alone has three of them :)
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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:36 AM
Geez.............I give up. You people are so into what historically can and can't be done that you have no imagination anymore! I'm not suggesting that such a coaster would actually be built.......I'm just asking you to envision the possibilities based on changing and improving technologies in coaster designs. Surely you can put aside your scientific analyses for a bit, can't you?
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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:39 AM
Also Steel Phanton was considered a hyper and it had inversions. Hyper inverts are very possible, but the cost would be close to 20 million, I'm sure.....

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Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:39 AM
Anyhow it still Says Jubilee Odyssey on their site and on signs around the the coaster, the one i showed you in my last post. I haven't been there personaly but i've seen pics and they haven't changed...
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