New coaster for SFGADV in 2005

But Magic Mountain already has the bastard 4-d. They are out of the running.

Crap. You're right. I completely forgot about that!

Meeting over...proposed location is by Rolling Thunder, near the Safari Exit, which would be moved 30 feet. The track length is 2480ft. Let the guessing begin.

batwingfansfa, i wouldnt believe you if you told me that our bodies needed oxygen for day to day survival, lol.....every rumour youve come up with about SFA the past few years has pretty much proved just that...a rumour...so i'll just wait, although i HIGHLY doubt sfa will be getting a coaster anytime soon..

as for Gadv, i would love for them to add a woodie in there somewhere. goodness knows, the park has room to expand. a B&M standup would be nice, but they are kind of outdated at this point, so that doesnt seem plausible....a mouse though is pretty possible...time will tell i suppose....

Tim...who is wondering how the minutes from the Jackson NJ Township admin meeting made its way onto the Internet.....

Let's see...no height listed, no style determined...2480 feet long, and would require the exit to the Safari to be moved 30 feet.

I'm gonna go ahead and doubt that this is a simple Wild Mouse job -- a mouse's footprint is small and could've been placed anywhere.

I think 2480 feet is too short for a significant stand-up (it would be a bit shorter than the length of Batman The Ride) and is too long for a dive machine (an idea I'd had based on the B&M speculation).

It's definitely long enough to be a small scale Intamin rocket, but it wouldn't make much sense to have two western-themed Intamin rocket coasters serving the same markets. Then again, it's also long enough to be a small- or mid-scale woodie, but having the two woodies directly next to each other (with one clearly overshadowing the other) doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not familiar with the B&M 4-D prototype's estimated layout, but unless the track length is too short, I don't see a reason to rule it out.

I'm definitely not so sure anymore, so I'll leave further speculation for the rumor-mongerers. Those are my two cents.

Actually Dave, I think 2480 is a lil' too long for a mouse. (Unless it's one a them Gerstlauer deals) Average mice range from 1200 to 1700. Does this mean (Lord please heed my prayer) that Viper is leaving????

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Nitro Dave said:

It's definitely long enough to be a small scale Intamin rocket, but it wouldn't make much sense to have two western-themed Intamin rocket coasters serving the same markets.

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Friendly Disclaimer : This is nothing directed right at you Nitro Dave, you just happened to say it this time.

This is one train of thought that I see spouted around here a whole bunch that makes no sense to me - 'Two similar rides can't co-exist in a competing market'. People always said it about CP/SFWOA and started saying it about the new Floorless in Allentown with DP and SFGAdv - and now I'm seeing it in reference to HP/SFGAdv.

Flat out, I don't buy it. If anything I'd want similar (but superior) coasters to my immediate competition. It makes people stay with you rather than traveling to the competition.

I suppose the argument is that variety pulls the market to you, but I think the opposite - equality keeps them from looking elsewhere. "We have this too, why bother travelling?" Plus, you just sell the whole newer is better angle and you'll get people from the other parks even though you offer the same basic attractions.

Who knows?

But let's just use the Hershey/Dorney/SFGAdv triangle as a little example. (ignoring obvious repeats like kiddie, family coasters and basic woodies)

All three have B&M inverts.
Two have dual tracked woodies. (HP/SFGAdv)
Two have hypers. (DP/SFGAdv)
In 2005 two will have B&M Floorless coasters. (DP/SFGAdv)
Two have Schwarzkopf loopers. (HP/DP)

That's a lot of duplication of coaster types for three parks that can all be reached by their overlapping markets in an hour. If the "same coaster type doesn't fly in a competing market" theory were true, then one of these three parks would be hurting - but, of course, that just doesn't make sense.

With all of that said, I honestly don't know what to expect in Jersey in 2005. As mauch as it pains me to say it (as a "stand-ups are dead" guy myself) - the stand-up seems to make good sense as a guess. I can't think of another coaster that would offer a significantly different experience than what the park offers already. The 4D seems a little too out there for me (though not 100% unreasonable, I suppose). Wood wouldn't be out of the question either.

I guess we'll learn soon enough.

At any rate, I'll bet a bunch of Eastern PA trips to check out Hydra turn into two day trips visiting Jersey too...

...I know mine probably will :)

And all three parks have mine trains! :)

-Nate

I hate you, Nate ;)

How about a shuttle Intamin Rocket with a layout like Superman: the Escape that is 425 feet tall? ;)

Nate, when did Dorney add a mine train?!?!

1997...I think it was

Yeah, it was 4 years before SFGAdv got the B&M version.

I'd still rather ride Steel Forceless than Nyquil. :)

>:O

Thanks for making my jaw drop, Gonch. :)

+Danny

Since the length seems too short for a B&M standup and too long for a mouse, I'm going to say either a medium-sized wood coaster or a Gerstlauer spinning coaster. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of spinning coasters appear at SF parks next year, considering how the WOF/Camp Snoopy coasters were well-received.

umm...Dorney doesnt have a minetrain coaster guys....never has had one either, lol....bzzzzt, try again :)

Tim, assuming I *got* the joke, they were referring to Steel Forceless, which remains my least favorite "hyper". Frankly, it BORED me....which is the exact OPPOSITE of *hyper*.....;)

edit: Upon further review, I will note that (due to single-training), I had the SINGLE ride on the coaster, and got that ride in the back....I have learned something since then, and would now opt for something near the FRONT of the train. Hmmmm, weird that I *just* got word that we *may* be shipped to a conference in DC later this summer...;)

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The back is all about the first drop. Oddly enough the front tends to be better for the return run.

Sit in the middle for the most pathetically average ride possible :)

As far as lame hypers go, I like Steel Force.

When I'm sick I travel to Jersey to ride the nighttime sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever, so you can rest coaster ;)

...and yes, the joke was comparing SF to a mine train.

Believe it or not, we're not that clueless :)

According to RCDB,

Intamin Rocket:
Xcelerator = 2202'
Storm Runner = 2600'
TTD = 2800'

Gerstlauer Spinning:
Spinning Dragons/Timberland Twister = 1345'

Arrow 4D:
X = 3610'

Intamin wood:
Colossos = 4410'
Balder = 3510'

S&S wood:
Timberhawk = 2600'
Avalanche = 2378'
Falken = 2040'
Tsunami = 2600'

GCI wood:
Ozark Wildcat = 2600'
all 6 others 3180' or longer

Based strictly on track length, the Rocket seems to make the most sense for a steel coaster. 2480' would be pretty short for an adult-sized steel coaster with a lift hill, other than maybe an expanded Dive Machine. Adding 1100' to the existing spinning coaster design would be a pretty big jump for the next generation of these rides.

For wood, 2480' seems to be right in the S&S wheelhouse based on their designs so far. 2480' seems awfully short based on GCI's and Intamin's previous woodies.

My guess is a Rocket variation.

Dark horse candidate: a Gerstlauer Eurofighter, like Typhoon at Bobbejaanland (2198').