New B&M track at Ohio plant. For Six Flags America?

Monday, January 26, 2009 6:43 PM

2002? More like 1997.

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:16 AM

Everybody seems to be all Gung-Ho on this being a sitdown style of some kind, and I'm not saying it's not.

How Can you tell the difference between Flyer, Sit-down/Floorless or Inverted Track? The curvatures on all of those look pretty much like they could be open for anything. (minus the Dive Machine)

Who can give me an factual answer?

Last edited by john peck, Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:17 AM
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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:24 AM

peck, I have NO idea how to differentiate. I just like to ride the coasters...I can't tell the difference in B&M tracks.

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:12 AM

Maybe it's a launched 500 deuling flyer (one of my dream rides) :)

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:53 AM

@ John Peck:
The track ties of inverted and flying coasters are a bit rounded where they connect to the backbone.
All B&M coasters that travel on top of the rails have straight ties.

The track in the pictures has straight ties, which should rule out an inverter of a flyer.

Last edited by tricktrack, Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:53 AM
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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:00 AM

^ Thank you, Tricktrack! Thats exactly what I wanted to know! I can't believe I didn't see that in the past.

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:37 AM

Not true, they aren't quite straight at all. The only ones that are straight as far as I can tell are the dive machines.

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:19 AM

One thing I noticed:

http://www.screamscape.com/html/bm_track_3.htm[url][url]
In this picture in the background, one of the pieces of track has a triangular "wedge" component that is used for supporting the top arch of a loop, which is similar to the one seen here on Dominator: http://www.rcdb.com/ig632.htm?picture=9

With this, I think it is safe to rule out an inverted coaster or non-looping coaster. And it's pretty clear that the track is not for a diving coaster, so that leaves us with Flying, or some sort of looping contraption.

Last edited by Fun, Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:20 AM
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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:54 AM

@Jeff:

I meant the connection from rail to the backbone of the track. (Not the connection from one rail to the other).

It seems that on all B&Ms that ride (partially) under the tracks, the ties have a slightly "arched" connection to the backbone.
Its very evident on this flyer:
http://coasterbuzz.com/CoasterPhoto.aspx?id=1101
and here is an example for an inverted: http://rcdb.com/m/ig3117.htm?picture=57

All other B&Ms seem to have an angled, but straight connection to the backbone (as seen in the floorless picture you linked in your post). The little "arch" is missing.

Last edited by tricktrack, Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:55 AM
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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:52 AM

I don't understand how you're disputing what I said. The track tie is one big solid piece regardless of the track type. The dive machines are cut with an edge flush to the rails, while the other types have the variations you describe. I would speculate that for any of the inverting models, there has to be more clearance between the spine and the train because of the tighter elements.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:41 AM

I remember going through this when Patriot's track showed up in that lot. Several people argued that it had to be floorless track because of the shape.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig3244.htm?picture=24

This looks just like floorless track to me.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2528.htm?picture=14

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:05 AM

The difference is subtle, but there is absolutely more of a curvature to the way the ties are cut for the inverts. The other big give away is that there are always invert sections that have very tight outside curves, usually the tops of vertical loops.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:39 PM

If I had to guess I would say small, looping floorless or sitdown for an over-seas park.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:05 PM

And you can tell all of that just by looking at a few track sections?

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:31 PM

The curves seem relatively small (unlike a Hyper), the angles are steep (you can tell by the orientation of the support connections), and that one piece that looks to be from a loop has a small radius of curvature.


And it being for over-seas is only a guess because we dont know of any parts in the states waiting on a Beemer

Last edited by DanLinden, Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:33 PM
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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:09 PM

The company name says X-works....what in the world is that?

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:15 PM

@Fun:

Keen eye! But, it still isn't going to be a flyer since the ties aren't right (as has been discussed).

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:44 PM

X-works....Hmmmm....anyone think of any parks or chains with an x in the name?

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:31 AM

^ I highly doubt it, but you never know.

I was set on the floorless coaster after this discusion about ties, but floorless and hypers are not the only B&M coasters to have these types of ties.

These pictures are from B&M's website that show all of the coasters that encorperate this style of tie:
Sitting Coaster (not hyper)
Floorless Coaster
Stand up Coaster

From RCDB
Hyper Coaster

We have pretty much rules out a hyper due to what appears to be an inversion, but the first three mentioned coaster types are all capable of inversions. Therefore I believe these types can not be ruled out just yet.

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:59 PM

Mamoosh said:
X-works....Hmmmm....anyone think of any parks or chains with an x in the name?

Six Flags Carowinds?

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