Much Needed LOVE Thread: Villain & SFWOA.

Personally I say I hate going to a park and spending all day and riding four rides, when I can reride all I want there. Dont force your opinions on other because everyone has their own likes and dislikes.

millrace: My issue with the G-trains is the lap bar... I hated the feeling of my legs being forced into them on the curves. On Villain, it was bearable, but I can't imagine how horrible it must be on lateral-intensive coasters.

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coasterzak said:
Beltz, what do you mean because of safety reasons? What was switched at SFWoA? SFWoA safely ran PTCs on RWB and could have spent a few more bucks and put them on Villain, I don't see what the safety issue is.

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What I mean about safety reasons is they want it to be a somewhat great coaster so that all ages can ride without them feeling like they are gonna fall out, now as for us older people we prefer the traditional cars, the safety is for younger ones that fit the height requirement! Yes, I do know why to be mad at that, thats all I meant.

I'm not mad at that, just a little more confused. I have seen more people get into a G-train and wonder where a seatbelt is and been scared at how open it is, than seen anyone complain about a PTC.

Well I have nothing to do with it, It was a poor designer mistake....Although seems popular...I'm just glad they didn't change the trains on the Big Dipper :-)

I wonder if the old lift hill would collapse on Big Dipper if they started to run G-Trains much like what happened on RWB. That's an evil thought. SFWoA - don't ever think of taking off those beautiful trains and replacing them with G-Trains!

I think thats an impossibility, considering that Big Dipper's trains probably weigh twice as much as G-Trains.

You know a train is good if there isn't any dividers and there is padding on the front of the inside of the train (where your knees are).

I love Big Dipper, Jackrabbit, and Thunderbolt trains the most. Jackrabbit's clearly being best.

Any park who would replace trains like those with G-Trains would be foolish. Infact, replacing any trains with Gs is foolish in my opinion. I think everything about them are terrible, even the seats are uncomfortable. I felt like I was slipping out of the seats on Villain. Or during some airtime, I found I landed on the edge of the seat. I know, it sounds odd, but thats what it felt like.

This talk about trains has me thinking. Everyone used to complain about the Morgan wooden roller coaster trains. How would you feel about those trains running on some of the more forcefull rides that CCI has built? How about the coasters that now run The G trains? Would they be any better in Morgans?

Personally, I prefer to ride in the G-trains over the Morgans'. Morgans lap-bar design isn't much better and some of there trains have even less padding. Morgans are ugly, fiberglass, shells with no substance or feel to me. No type of body styling like their counterparts whatsoever, just plain and boring shapes. They also ride like shopping carts and are too light. On really long layouts they don't have enough mass to keep up speeds.

I'm familiar with all the maintenance issues on the G-trains, and I'm not sure about the same thing with Morgans. But from a riders viewpoint, I prefer the Germans over the 'California' style thank you very much.

Wood - anything else is an imitation *** Edited 1/29/2004 6:38:43 PM UTC by Thrillerman***

Funny you should mention that, because I got thinking about that not too many nights ago. I hear all of these negative comments about G-trains, and it brings me back to a time when enthusiasts had Morgan trains to trash ad nasuem.

I've been on two coasters with Morgans (Rye's Dragon and Riverside's Cyclone) and I can honestly say that they are a lousy design. No seat padding (rock-hard foam doesn't count), bad lap bar design (no room for even average-sized people) and lightweight materals all make for a train that is deficient in just about every possible way. I'm looking forward to San Diego's Giant Dipper this summer, but I'm not looking forward to those trains. Ironic that the only two surviving examples of Fred Church's work run with those awful things!

I've only been on one coaster with G-trains- Villain- and while I very much enjoyed the coaster, it did become quite painful after a while because of the poor lap bar design. I don't doubt the the trains are of a much better quality than Morgan's trains, but the lap bar design is very poor. I think that I would rate Villain even higher on my list if it ran with PTCs.

Give me their "out-dated" and "boxy" cars any day. And, if not, those GCII Millennium Flyers, although their lap bars could use some springs to keep them from falling into the riders' laps before the train leaves the station!

In a perfect world Rob, there would only be PTC's with buzz-bars and Prior and Church style trains. I'd prefer the latter.

Millennium Flyer trains are awesome in every way except the lap-bar that falls onto your legs pinning you in. PTC's ratcheting bars can be worse than the G-trains, and Morgans' are just plain embarassing the way they work in tandom between the front and rear seats on some coasters.

Wood - anything else is an imitation *** Edited 1/29/2004 10:09:18 PM UTC by Thrillerman***