More Problems For Conneaut Lake Park

I'm just bummed Gonch didn't take my line about businesses needing to do MORE than breaking even....I meant that FOR him... ;)

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Alice In Chains just did a tour this past fall (with William DuVall singing).

Unfortunately, CLP was not on the list of venues. ;)

AIC was one of the few "grunge era" bands I could stand to listen to. :)

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EDIT - wow, three of us reply within 68 second of each other!

And yes, Gator...breaking even is not the goal. You can survive, but not thrive at break-even levels. :)

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new record for C-Buzz!
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I still listen to them. I never got into Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but Alice in Chains and Soundgarden always sounded great, even after the whole "grunge" thing went away.

Alice in Chains was great. STP wasn't bad, but my personal favorite was
Stone Temple Pearls of the Dog Garden in Chains. They rullllllled!
;)

Why don't they just charge $15.00 for parking, institute a no re-entry policy, and start renting Q-bots? Oops, wrong debt-ridden park. :)

Going from grunge to big hair, why don't they get Brett Michaels (formerly of Poison)? He's not too far down the road in Butler (originally). Hell, if he'd visit Pottsville-- AND film a video there-- why wouldn't he do CLP?

Brett just played the Days Inn in Butler a couple months ago - I should've gone. We had just gotten into town though. (yes, I'm from Butler :) )

Heck, how about Mr. Reznor too, he's from Mercer.

My Grandparents owned a once famed restaurant and hot spot in Conneaut Lake way back in the day. My Dad owned a few restaurants there after the bar burnt and my Grandfather sold it to our cousins. I'd be very upset and sad to see such a great park drift off into the graveyard.

When we stayed at Camperland last year there were many great people volunteering their time and effort to clean up the pond there.

The town is filled with some great and generous people, I hope there's enough to make a difference.

I heard Temple of the Dog the other day... forgot how good they were.

I know what you're saying gator... parks are in business to make money, not break even. But Conneaut has always been one of those special cases, and I truly believe that the people behind the park care more about keeping the place operating rather than making tons of cash from the place. There are instances where it becomes a labor of love and I truly believe CLP is one of those instances. That being the case, they should work on getting rid of the debt once and for all so at least they can start with a clean slate, or a slate as clean as it's going to get!

So, what everyone is really saying is that Lollapalooza '94 could save CLP.

Got it.

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joe. said:
So, what everyone is really saying is that Lollapalooza '94 could save CLP.

Got it.

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LOL!

Which, oddly enough, is about the time the park quit doing concerts.

To all those arguing sustainability at the break-even level for 2006...

How much of that was people (such as myself) looking at the grim situation, and thinking "hmm, I better get there to experience it since this could be the last year?" -- same thing happened with Myrtle Beach Pavilion (except that was officially the last season) and I'm wondering if that weighs in the decision to keep Steel Pier open for 2007 -- I'd imagine it was noticeably more profitable in 2006 than in seasons past.

I know my 2006 visit to CLP falls in that category. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was running about an hour behind schedule than anticipated on my trip, and had a deadline to make it back to eastern PA, however I went anyway and was able to squeeze in about 2 hours (and drive a little faster on the way home ;) ).

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joe. said:
So, what everyone is really saying is that Lollapalooza '94 could save CLP.

Got it.

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LOl, the Reunion tours or Reunion Tours.

Oddly, i could see it working for them though.

How about a "supergroup" comprised of bits and pieces from the Seattle bands of the early 90's... preferably the members that few know- or care- about. Or would that be a little too recent for the majority of Conneaut's audience? Maybe the show that Gonch saw was the limit to what they'll listen to? ;)

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Rob Ascough said:I know what you're saying gator... parks are in business to make money, not break even. But Conneaut has always been one of those special cases, and I truly believe that the people behind the park care more about keeping the place operating rather than making tons of cash from the place. There are instances where it becomes a labor of love and I truly believe CLP is one of those instances.

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Undoubtedly....or CLP would already BE closed. I loved the place. Grandma is someone I will remember for as long as I'm around (she's a great hugger)... ;)

But operating "at break-even" IS, in fact, losing money. Could have put the same money in a CD and gotten *something* for it. It's apparent even to a casual observer that the places DOES operate as a labor-of-love.

But a place like that is always dangerously close to the brink...because once the current owners retire or pass the place down to their heirs, the same love and dedication needed may not be there. That sounds familiar, huh?

Sounds very familiar. I think Blackpool is experiencing the same right now, although they seem to be on solid financial footing. The older family members were all about the old stuff and preserving history but the younger ones running the place couldn't possibly give a crap.

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Rob Ascough said:
Maybe the show that Gonch saw was the limit to what they'll listen to?

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Oh yeah. I imagine 1994 would work perfectly at CLP right now. I'm pretty sure the lag is 10 to 15 years.

I saw Cheap Trick/Quiet Riot in 1991. Who mentioned that they saw REO Speedwagon in the same general time frame?

2007? They are just about ready for grunge bands in that area. Next year we'll unleash NIN's Downward Spiral on 'em. ;)

REO played in 1992, a few weeks before the Lynyrd Skynrd Labor Day concert.

^^ I'm curious to see what the reaction to "Closer" will be.

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Rob Ascough said:
How about a "supergroup" comprised of bits and pieces from the Seattle bands of the early 90's... preferably the members that few know- or care- about. Or would that be a little too recent for the majority of Conneaut's audience? Maybe the show that Gonch saw was the limit to what they'll listen to? ;)

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Like: Stone Temple Pearls of the Dog Garden in Chains? We took several bands, reedited some songs and it sounded pretty good. :)

Last weekend, on some college station, I heard a band called: Nirvananana. They did copies of Sha-na-na tunes with a seatle grunge sound. Hillarious.

I saw REO and Loverboy the summer before they closed. Was great til the power went out from a major T-storm. *** Edited 2/7/2007 5:23:25 PM UTC by FLYINGSCOOTER***