Millenium Force rip off
it doesn't matter why you have what you have. maybe you brought it to impress your friends, maybe you brought it for a functional purpose, maybe you won it. it doesn't matter. the park should still provide a close, free source of storage for it.
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Jeff said:
"Five years ago kids didn't bring book bags to parks, malls or anywhere else. Then, around '99, they were everywhere."
OK OK So I'm guilty. Went to MIA in 99' and carried my faithful backpack with me. That brings up the only reason I can think of having a bag with you: if the park has a water park. I was with a church youth group, and we couldn't put our bags back in the bus when we were done in the water park, so I had to lug around my backpack all day. If I recall, MIA didn't have lockers at the time...
That's the only reason I can think of why you need a bag at Cedar Point.
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-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew
Sure, some parks will accomodate you, but they do so either at expense to them with electronic locker systems or they do it the old fashioned way and have the slowest moving lines in the universe (again, see Volcano and FOF).
If you really need to carry crap with you, and it bothers you that much, please, send a message to the park by not going.
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coasterjedi said:
inverted rides and loose footwear don't go well together so there needs to be a place to put your sandals. if people leave their shoes in the station of Raptor and there isn't a capicaty problem then I don't see why there would be a problem with capicaty on any other ride especially considering shoes will take longer to get than other items because you have to put them back on whereas you just carry your stuff out of the station on other rides.
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Well, lets take Magnum as an example. It is very cumbersome to cross through that train, get to the other side, put your junk down, climb back into the train, buckle seatbelt, and pull down lapbar. The Magnum crew has under a minute to clear a train. The lapbars are locked within 20-30 seconds I'd say. If you're over there putting your stuff down, the bars get locked (on Magnum they often fall down) before you get back into the train. An op then has to use the pedal, unlocking all 6 bars in a car to let you in, then go through the rest of their seats and get them checked. Not to mention that bars that have been unlocked have to be rechecked. Consider if two or three people can't get back in time. If it takes too long to get the train out, the ride sets up. This means supervision has to be called and we have to run out to restart the lift and release the safety brakes. This is usually about two minutes of downtime and hurts hourly throughput tremendously. This is why we didn't allow articles to be stored on the Magnum platform from a capacity standpoint. Safety and responsibility reasons are also present.
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2001 Magnum Crew
Jeff said:
If you really need to carry crap with you, and it bothers you that much, please, send a message to the park by not going.
Jeff, this is by far the most unintelligent, ludicrous statement you've ever come up with. Case in point:
You might need swimsuits, diaper bags, medication/ medical supplies, umbrellas, extra clothes, jackets, extra or special need food, women's special needs(that time of the month thing), safe place for money, maps, video and camera equipment, prizes won(mainly the parks own fault), glasses, sunglasses, suntan lotion, etc.
Obviously, you don't understand since you don't have a family yet, but you should realize this from growing up and should be respective of other people's needs.
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What did Cedar Peter say to Island Merlin?
Flaggy Maggie ain't getting anywhere near my Peninsula!
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/29/2001. ***
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/29/2001. ***
If you really need to carry crap with you, and it bothers you that much, please, send a message to the park by not going.
I actually plan to do that with CP, even though I'm an enthusiast and love coasters. Imagine what a member of the GP, who is not nearly as in love with parks as I am, would do? It has nothing to do with them 'owing' it to me. It's just a slap in the face to tell me that because I happen to bring a small bag with some snacks and an extra shirt that I 'owe' them more money.
As far as their ride ops being there to improve capacity, last time I was there I counted 15 people on the clock at MF. Only 11 of them were working though, the rest were joking around on the other side of the platform. It was similar all three times I rode it, except the horseplaying moved to a different area. How hard would it be for one of them to pick up people's bags and move them to the exit platform?
MDOnis, an honor system with that WILL work, like I said, it works at FOF with no one losing things. I don't think people are any less trustworthy four hours north. A little trust is all you need. It's not like you leave it there for hours, it's there for 3 minutes. I think, no I know, that you can trust people for that long, it's not like it's the middle of a city, it's an amusement park. Amusement parks are places for families, and I for one never feel safer than when I am in one. Can't you trust your fellow man for 3 minutes?
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On a side note, the reason why FOF has low capacity is because the restraints are a pain in the #$@ to put on and about half of the guests don't know that the seat belts are even there. Also, the seats are very small and about every third train has a rider that is too big to fit in and the workers have to press down on the restraint, trying to get it to buckle until the guest gives up. This usually takes at least 30 seconds, which is horrible for capacity. Running only two trains doesn't help capacity much either. The problems with capacity on FOF have nothing to do with the handling of guests' bags.
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Ohio - Coaster capital of the world
That's me, a big dummy! Pretty ironic that you would say something like that when you just got done saying how opinions aren't wrong blah blah blah.
Koaster King said:
"Jeff, this is by far the most unintelligent, ludicrous statement you've ever come up with."
Are you a 16-year old father? Do you carry diapers? I know if I had a child, I'd use the parent swap and it would be a non-issue. I should check with my wife to see if tampons have become carry-on baggage. Does one need to change clothes spontaneously in the queue? Perhaps spontaneously begin swimming in the queue? GregLeg carries a fanny pack for his insulin and sugar (allowed on the ride), so there goes your medial/food theory. Cameras aren't allowed on the ride period. Sun block applied once before you enter the park. Glasses attached by a strap (required on MF). Jackets worn or tied around the waste. Umbrellas... who are you kidding? Money and park maps in my pocket. "Obviously" I just have things a little well thought out.
And for the third time, someone show me where these friendly crap-watching ride ops run a ride at full capacity, because I still haven't seen one.
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Koaster King said:
" ... prizes won (mainly the parks own fault) ..."
The park's fault?! Who are you kidding? If you're willing to throw down $3 for 2 baseballs, you better be prepared to put down $0.75 for the locker to keep the giant stuffed animal in just in case you win.
The parks provide the games, and they provide the means for storing the prizes won. If they charge for that storage, then that's not mean, it's capatalism. Tough.
-Ken
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I worked on Space Mountain at DLP, which is a 3300 feet long coaster and is 2:18 ride. OK? Now, guess how many trains can run on it at a time: not 2, not 3, not even 4! but 5 trains! To lessen the chance of a breakdown, we need to dispatch a train every 36 seconds. Also, its include dual loading docks. OK, you'll say 36 seconds!!! Well, just do some stacking! Stacking ain't a solution, because when a train enters the final brakes without a station free of a train, its causes a block violation, stopping the train on a dime! ( 40 to 0 in 2.8 seconds and its uses fin brakes ). Now, with a meager 36 seconds, you can't mess with air gates, so they are no airgates in the station. So, you got your load, who between trains and when a train enters and leave the station, make sure nobody jumps in the train ( happens more often than you think ) while answering guests questions. The unload needs to make sure nobody sleeps on the unload platform and that nobody runs in, put himself in front of the dispatch "just to take a picture!". The dispatch is the most important position on the ride, as he has to be sure the train is cleared to go, nobody is stepping on the red line, etc.
Now, we got the problem of.... guests who wants to leave their junk on the unload platform. Big problem, especially if 3 or 5 trains are running with 2 docks... as the train who leaves on one side will return on the other side. Also, at 5 trains, we have the "guest relations" cast member, but even him can't run to the other side to drop the junk of the train who just left! cause he has to deal with handicapped persons, clear the exit way, take care of VIP, etc.
There is also the groupers, who assign seating, they cannot also leave their position to carry the people junk.
So, what can we do? Well, force the people to put their junk at their feet in the train, not on their chest or else... we are not responsible for any headbanging that occurs when a harness is too loose. Also, the load tells that to the guests, the tower cast member do speeches in the waiting line explaining that all objects must be putted at your feet, etc.
Result? No delays due to an station filled with junk and... in 10 months, I have not seen a guest complain his bag flew off in the sidewinder or B lift drop.
Jeff said:
Koaster King said:
"Jeff, this is by far the most unintelligent, ludicrous statement you've ever come up with."That's me, a big dummy! Pretty ironic that you would say something like that when you just got done saying how opinions aren't wrong blah blah blah.
They're not wrong. That's just my opinion of your opinion. Plus, what you said wasn't really an opinion anyway. You were telling people to stay home if they needed to bring bags to the parks to make a statement. Seeing as how the only park I know that won't let you do this is CP, I don't think that's much of an issue, but what you said was wrong in the fact that it was out of line and inconsiderate.
Are you a 16-year old father?Nope. I just know a little bit about something called life. Ever been there?
Do you carry diapers?
Nope, but I'm definitely going to defend the people who do, because little ones do make accidents. Another fact of life.
I know if I had a child, I'd use the parent swap and it would be a non-issue.How do you parent swap at MF? I'm serious here. I've never seen it done. The diapers would still be an issue because you said not to bring any stuff to the park at all you couldn't wear I guess.
I should check with my wife to see if tampons have become carry-on baggage.If I was a woman, I definitely wouldn't want my tampon flying out of my pocket and landing on someone's lap. I'm sure she would at least need and want a purse for this one. Most women like to have their purses.
Does one need to change clothes spontaneously in the queue?A lot of people do. After they get off a wet ride and don't expect to ride another, usually they don't like to feel all squishy and yucky throughout the park, so you might need to change. Look at the big picture. This isn't a story of a girl changing to get ready for prom that night.
Perhaps spontaneously begin swimming in the queue?
Where else are you going to put the bag for swimming? I sure wouldn't want to run all the way back to my car for this stuff. And maybe I'm a person too cheap and not trusting of a locker. Maybe it's too far away. Don't answer with some weird comment to "avoid the critcism".
GregLeg carries a fanny pack for his insulin and sugar (allowed on the ride), so there goes your medial/food theory.Um, no it doesn't. My uncle needs special meals fixed that contain as little to no sodium as possible which is hard to come by at parks and I have a friend who can't have dairy or peanut products, so he needs to have a special lunch with him as well. In case my friend does come into contact with one of those, he has two medications he needs to take and an inhaler which must be with them as well. Any other questions here? Think about more than just what you know on the surface.
Cameras aren't allowed on the ride period.
Tell that to Robb Alvey. Anyway, I'm referring to when you can put your camera in one of the little cubby holes while you ride the ride. Not actually taking pictures. But you're still not thinking about everything here. You're actually allowed to take cameras on several of the Disney attractions, so it's possible for one to think you could do this somewhere else.
Sun block applied once before you enter the park.Some people like to do this at the park. Just looking out for them.
Glasses attached by a strap (required on MF).Well, if they don't want to put them on a strap while they're on the coasters in case they still have fear on losing them, they'll probably want to put them in a bag. There are chances they could break in your pockets.
Jackets worn or tied around the waste.What if it's warm at the beginning of the day and the it starts raining and gets cooler or the opposite?
Umbrellas... who are you kidding?Must be you. Not a lot of shelter all around CP and sometimes rides are still open and you want to wait who line. Who doesn't like to ride in the rain?
Money and park maps in my pocket.
Once we took a map into the park. One of those big US map booklets to see what our route to SFWoA would be the next day, because my mom didn't want to ride all the coasters and thought she would look at that while we were on them. Money can fly out of your pockets. I know. It's happened a couple times to me."Obviously" I just have things a little well thought out.
Actually it looks like you didn't.
And for the third time, someone show me where these friendly crap-watching ride ops run a ride at full capacity, because I still haven't seen one.Sorry I have to mention it again, but besides for the praise they've recieved wanting to run FOF to be left open and the "going out" year for KC, I would have to say Paramount's Kings Island. Plus, there's Islands of Adventure, Universal, and the Disney parks when I've gone.
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Danny
What did Cedar Peter say to Island Merlin?
Flaggy Maggie ain't getting anywhere near my Peninsula!
*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/29/2001. ***
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