Michigan's Adventure serving Beer

HEY TimberRider. Let's close all the bars, too. There's drunks in there, and eventually they're gonna have to leave. Some are in remote rural locations and require driving to and from. Some are right on city streets, too.

I think it's interesting that many of your anecdotes involve friends of yours. You ate pot brownies and didn't know it? Seriously?

I'm sorry you lost your brother. But he was an Air Force cop and couldn't figure out who to report law breakers to? The park police make a presence there, and are hard to miss. You passed thru a turnstile manned with employees and passed by a toll booth on the way out. Good thing for the rest of humanity you citizens decided to save yourselves by getting a jump on the inebriated couple.

Son, you are so full of it.

No Jeff. I'm saying there are people out there whom have the intent on getting wasted, and there should be no attempt made to cater to them. Any attempt at keeping any drunk, regaurdless of how many there are, from causing an accident, should be taken into consideration, especially at a place where there are small children. Even if the chance of an accident is small, it should be avoided.I know the area around Michigan's Adventure, and, I am very worried that any possible drunk would be a serious problem. I will hope that the local police are being informed about this, and what their plans are on dealing with any possible situation. I personally have been around plenty of drunks, and like I said. All it takes is just one.

Your world view sucks. Let's ground all planes because a few got hijacked. It only takes one. Let's ban soda because some people get fat and die of heart disease. It only takes one. Let's ban religion because some people get radical and hurt people. It only takes one.

TimberRider, do not come to BeastBuzz, cause we're gonna be drinkin'. I'm certain we'll all be drinking responsibly, but we're having a keg. And all it takes is one.

Edit to add: Plus the park is gonna be packed that day and Cedar Fair will be busy sucking up money which is gonna make you miserable. Seriously. Don't come.

RCMAC, there is a huge difference between a bar serving alcohol, and a theme park full of teenage employees. Number 1, any bartender is smart enough to know when someone has had enough to drink, number two, police routinely hang around those locations watching out for drunk drivers, number 3, most people who go to bars to drink, go late at night, usually well after MA would be closed. #4, there are not thousands of small children hanging around a bar. Nor is the parking lot filled with hundreds of drivers.I used to work in a bar, and I can tell when someone is plastered. Which is why I see the danger in this. It makes me sad that some of you don't see it. Huge difference between a bar and an amusement park. Very huge. People who would go to the park to drink, may be doing so at all times of the day. Not just a few hours at night. They would also be on the road during peak driving hours, while most people who go to bars leave when traffic is light, usually at 1 or 2 in the morning. There are very few people who go to bars at Dinner time. Who knows how many people will be drinking during the day at MA. Again, it falls into the area, of who is going to be serving, and who is going to be watching.From My Cedar Point experience. Barely legal age persons serving alcohol to anyone of legal age who wants to buy it, and nobody paying attention to the level of consumption. At a bar, there is always someone who pays attention, and the number of people drinking is also observed. I don't think that will happen at MA. That's what worries me most.

Timber-Rider said:

He said, they were lucky he wasn't still a cop, he'd slap a tire lock on their car, and they wouldn't be going anywhere.

You and your cop brother (my condolonces) had a rather warped interpretation of the law if you thought there would have been anything legal about doing that.

So, the last time I was at Cedar Point and decided to enjoy a beer in the early evening as I watched the people go about in the park, I was in fact a marauding drunkard but seconds away from causing mayhem, doom and death.

Good to know. I'll keep that in mind and switch to wine.

So what you are saying Jeff, is that it would be ok with you if a family died in a car accident from some drunk coming out of ma, because it's one of lifes issues? When it is possible to avoid that accident by not having the tools that caused it to begin with? Whatever. People who feel the need to be able to drink freely where ever they want when ever they want, is a very selfish trait. Putting yourself over the safety of others.Should tell the park owners to stop checking the restraints on coasters, and just let the people take their chances of falling off and dying, because it's just one of those things.

I can't really read any of Timber's responses anymore without seeing a dream or fantasy bubble like they used to have in sitcoms when someone would flashback.

Picture it, Sicily, 1922...

Or in this case, Picture it, mid-Timbers, 2013...

There is no difference between a bar serving alcohol and an amusement park. Or an arena. Or a golf course. Or a cinema. Or a restaurant. They're all places where cars are parked and children will be present.

If you worked in a bar then you should know there are licenses involved. Michigan's Adventure will be having a beer license. Bars have liquor licenses. Worse? Deadlier? Oh, if you worked at a bar you should also know that people show up any time of day, including the dinner hour. That made me laugh real hard. Maybe at your bar the fellas were showing up after their disco naps and the rest of the town had rolled up the sidewalks. But I can assure you that's not the case everywhere.

Persons serving alcohol will need to be of legal age themselves and will receive training.

Summary: you may not demand the closing or restrictions on certain legal businesses because there will be the occasional bad actor out there. I have a feeling if you had your way we'd all be made to sit at home all the time.

Sounds to me if anyone is out there traveling around with drunks and druggies it's you.

Honestly, TR, I lost you a couple sentences into your response. I got hung up on the following:

"Number 1...number two...number 3...#4."

Epic parallelism fail.

Timber-Rider, seems to me -- based on what you're saying -- is that the only thing to do is not allow alcohol anywhere, ever. Period.

You say you only drink when you're staying close to where you'll be drinking so that you can walk back -- but suppose you had one too many and stumble into the road? A car swerves to avoid you and the driver dies? Alcohol-related accidents don't necessarily involve only automobiles.

Survey:
Who here knew, when this topic with Michigan's Adventure in the title turned up, that we'd eventually be in for this?

I did.

Timber-Rider said:

So what you are saying Jeff, is that it would be ok with you if a family died in a car accident from some drunk coming out of ma, because it's one of lifes issues?

Yeah, that's totally what I'm saying. That's just how you argue, paint the other guy as a nonsensical asshat since you don't have a rational argument yourself.

People who feel the need to be able to drink freely where ever they want when ever they want, is a very selfish trait.

Just like self-righteous people who think they have all the answers and want to tell everyone else how to live. Seriously, you're the one who seems drunk or high.

RCMAC. We hardly saw any security while we were at Cedar Point. The booth operators were all kids, and when we left the park the toll booths were closed, the only employees were the the guys with the yellow vests directing traffic out of the park. We saw one security guard at Raptor watching the line, and one at Magnum, and that was it. Also, when we saw those security guards, the couple was not around. In order to get security to do something about them, they would have to find them first. And, with a park full of thousands of people. Do you really think they would look or care?Also Big Boy, when my brother said he would put a tire lock on their car, I'm sure he meant when he was a cop, in his patrol area. If he was still a cop, I'm sure he would have tried to contact the proper authorities to handle the situation. We also thought about telling someone about the drunks, but who do you tell, and what chances are there that anything would be done.Anyways. It's in the past. As for the pot brownies. No I did not know, until I was told.

Timber-Rider said:

. We also thought about telling someone about the drunks, but who do you tell...?

Cedar Point Security or Police, maybe? Just a thought. That's who I'd tell.

(Cedar Point Police, by the way, are actual police officers, able to make arrests.)

They are not security guards at Cedar Point, they are policemen, and trust me - They're everywhere.

The toll booths never close. Cedar Point is coming and going 24 hours a day.

Now that you got us all riled up it's never mind, all in the past?
Sheesh. I need a brownie.

I worked at the Beltline Bar in Grand Rapids. The only people who drank during the day, would have one drink with their meal and leave. It's those people who came after 10 p.m who consumed the most alcohol, and were the largest number of people drinking at the same time. I was also a bartender at a chinese restaurant, where they allowed their 13 year old daughter mix drinks. Highly against the law. And I know all about liquor and Beer liscences.Very few people go to bars during the day. Most go after 10 p.m. Again, park employees are not bartenders. Having a liscence to sell alcohol doesn't equal selling and being responcible. I know of a lot of places who will let people get drunk til they blackout right in the bar. Money is more important to them, than the safety of others.

I have not been to Cedar Point in a few years. And when my brother and I were last there, was before that. I don't recall seeing any secuirty the last time I was in the park alone either. And, I know who they are, becasue they wear a white shirt, with a security patch on their shoulder. The same that is worn at Michigan's Adventure which only has a handful of security guards, and they are not cops at MA. They're just kids, minus one or two who are in their 50's, and have been at the park for years. Also, MA is not Cedar Point. There is a huge difference there as well.

Your whole moral code that you want to impose on everyone else is based on anecdotes and stories. That's why no one takes you seriously.