Magic Mountain 2/18/06---Sheep to the Slaughter!

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:28 AM
Moosh:

I was ready to counter-argue your post, BUT my son just ran by naked waist-down, wearing a cowboy hat, vest, and carrying a bandana! I forgot what it is I did not like about your take! :-)

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:01 PM

CD said:
Another thing that I think ,that apearentaly no one agrees with me about, Is that X is one of the worst coasters ever.

I won't disagree. I think X is a horrible ride. When you get over the novelty (which took about five seconds), you're left with a painful pile of sh**.

About varying trip reports...

It's true, you can hit a Six Flags park on a good day or a bad day. I've had generally positive experiences at my home park (Great Adventure) but other people absolutely hate the place. I guess I've hit it on good days while others have hit it on bad days. The thing that Six Flags has to work on is eliminating the bad days- they need consistency.

When I go to a Disney or Busch park, I know exactly what I'm getting. Clean grounds, polite employees, all rides open and running at capacity- there is no unknown variable there regardless of what the weather or crowds are like. Six Flags parks, on the other hand, offer an experience that largely depends on an number of things. In order to play the game, you have to offer "greatness" each and every day. Only then will the arguing over park experiences come to an end.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:15 PM
Thank you Rob, Someone that I can finally agree with. I know exactly what you mean about Disney or Busch parks, You forgot to add Cedar Fair :), I also have never had a bad day at Great Adventure, It is just SFMM that I hate!
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Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:39 PM
Cedar Fair parks aren't as hit-or-miss as Six Flags parks but I've had some relatively crappy days at Dorney. Not dreadful but not exceptional either. I can't remember the last time I had a less-than-exceptional time at a Disney or Busch park!
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Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:29 PM
Who cares if the guy DOES have an agenda? This is not a newspaper; it doesn't have to be unbiased and fair. It's his personal opinion of the place and if he wants to trash it, it's his right.

I haven't been to SFMM since 2001, but I can tell you, the two times I was there, I experienced pretty much the same thing: closed rides, stupid employees, stupid policies, and filth everywhere.

I'm leaving for my third trip to LA tomorrow and I'll be spending my money at KBF this time.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:10 PM
And you'll be infinitely happier, I'm sure!
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Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:32 PM

Jeffrey R Smith said:
Moosh:

I was ready to counter-argue your post, BUT my son just ran by naked waist-down, wearing a cowboy hat, vest, and carrying a bandana! I forgot what it is I did not like about your take! :-)


...and just like when Bugs, Daffy, or Taz stops for a photo op, all is forgiven... ;)

Seriously, though, the price changes have gone into effect, SFMM is a year-round park, and while I don't expect *miracles* overnight, it IS about time to see TRs that show consistent, friendly, efficient operations throughout....that IS what we were promised along with the price hikes, right?

BTW, I took the "sheep to the slaughter" title as the joke it was intended to be... :)

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:37 PM
I was not sure you would be posting much today gator...you know...with my mighty Vols winning the East last night! :-)

...Good Old Rocky Top...whew..

...thanks for the sense of humor. I thought that went over everybody's head!

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:46 PM
Yeah, yeah, your Vols certainly got the best of us last night....hopefully that'll be the last time we play your guys this year! Joakim doesn't have many teeth left he can afford to lose! ;)

I didn't get too excited about starting 17-0, I can't get too upset about wins and losses until they really COUNT....that'll be in a few weeks (and traditionally under Donovan, we get worse as the year progresses).

How this relates? My poor beloved gators went against the Vols, and "competed" much like SFMM does against DL/DCA...not too well... ;)

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Friday, February 24, 2006 11:52 AM
That's something else I wanted to mention: despite the increase in parking and at the gate I saw mostly teens and few families at SFMM the day I was there. In fact Bugs Bunny World was virtually deserted.
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Friday, February 24, 2006 2:11 PM
But how was the overall crowd, Moosh. Same numbers as usual? More? Less crowded?

I suspect the demo in the park only confirms my earlier assessment that the price really doesn't matter. People pay what it costs.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 3:50 PM
Ugh. Thank God so many of you hate SFMM. Otherwise, I'd have to deal with more people waiting in line in front of me. ;)

I never find myself in a sour mood at the park, so it's really surprising I hear all of these unfavorable reports, although your opinions are still your opinions - that's noted. It's only those that go to the park and don't self-enforce some good times and fun and expect employees to make eye contact and wave at you on a ride in order to be satisfied really expect way too much. It's the truth.

And this rude employee and trash everywhere talk is really all myth. It trickles down the vine and everyone assumes that's it's always the case. Not. I have never seen garbage lying in the midway at the park. Where is it that you guys see this stuff? I just don't understand how so many people have come to dislike the park SO much. I have a great time, everytime, and I do feel like I get my money's worth (well, I have a pass this season, but regardless). :) It really all comes down to your own attitude and the way you make the best of your enjoyment at the park.

If you go to the park not fully realizing that you're nitpicking at everything that could be better, you're the one responsible for dragging down the amount of fun you'll have at the park that day, not the park. Sure, there are some instances where that's not always the case, but most of the time it is. When you're having a great time with family and friends, you're not going to notice (or even remember at the end of the day) that there was a bubble gum wrapper lying at the base of a tree, or if the parking ticket booth employee only gave you a half-hearted "have a great day." And it's only the ones that go the park by themselves or don't socialize with their friends and have a great time are the ones that will notice that the operators don't finish the ending spiel or don't have a diabetes-inflamed smile plastered on their face.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 3:52 PM
I'm not Moosh...but the demo was exactly the same on my day. Keep in mind that the pass is the same as the one-day now. They are still giving away the gate to locals. I would not expect the demographics to change at all until they increase the passes seven to tenfold.

I think you are right on in analysis Gonch as far as people paying what it takes. In my opinion the parks are rediculously underpriced (especially the passes) in terms of what most people are WILLING to pay. At seven to tenfold increase is when you might start seeing the demographic changes...

Anybody see the prices of daycare these days? At $60 for the year, the parents get out of their obligations and allow Six Flags to raise their teenagers.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 4:01 PM
That's right, I keep forgetting the pass pricing thing. I guess we'll see what happens next year when pass prices get more on track with where they should be.
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Friday, February 24, 2006 4:03 PM
...and we wonder why kids have no manners? LOL!

Seriously though, my thought is to simply limit the number of visits you can make on a SP...."up to five (or ten) visits per year" as opposed to the LIMITLESS number of visits currently allowed...

Of course, I'm biased, I probably only get 7-8 visits/year on average, usually no more than two at any given park...

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Friday, February 24, 2006 4:05 PM

kRaXLeRidAh said:
If you go to the park not fully realizing that you're nitpicking at everything that could be better, you're the one responsible for dragging down the amount of fun you'll have at the park that day, not the park.

Hate the arguement. It holds no water. Essentially what you're saying is, "Ignore the problems and they don't exist."


When you're having a great time with family and friends, you're not going to notice (or even remember at the end of the day) that there was a bubble gum wrapper lying at the base of a tree

True. But...


or if the parking ticket booth employee only gave you a half-hearted "have a great day."

Untrue. If anything, the better time I'm having and the more people with me, the more I notice employees with piss poor attitudes.


And it's only the ones that go the park by themselves or don't socialize with their friends and have a great time are the ones that will notice that the operators don't finish the ending spiel or don't have a diabetes-inflamed smile plastered on their face.

Again, I find the exact opposite to be true. The more people in the group and the more fun we're having - that one moron employees who doesn't understand common courtesy, let alone understand it's essentially his job as a theme park/hospitality industry employee, stings even harder.

Edit - formatting.

*** Edited 2/24/2006 9:07:48 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

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Friday, February 24, 2006 8:00 PM
kRaXLeRidAh - I have to whole-heartedly agree with you. I have visited the park 3 times, 3 different years, and I have never had a problem with the park. I guess I mainly have a ton of fun simply because, well, I am in California! I think many residents of the state take many of the assets for granted. The weather is beautiful more than it is not, there are palm trees all over the place, and it is warm! On every visit, there have only been two coasters closed- any combination of Flashback, Deja Vu, and Collosus. I probably forget most of the negative aspects of the park because I am always on vacation when I am there, so I concur with the comments of kRaXLeRidAh.
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Friday, February 24, 2006 8:28 PM
I haven't been to Magic Mountain since the 1970s. I haven't been back - only because of distance, as I live on the east coast. I had my first real adult coaster ride on Goldrusher and I even braved the Revolution, that night, which was a big deal. (I even remember the sign for a "Chicken Exit") for those that were nervous to ride. Even I was pretty much of a coward back then, I remember having a great time there with my parents. I also remember that we didn't even get to see the whole park.

I do think though, that a simple courtesy like a choice of rice at a theme park or any place for that matter should be granted.

Heck, I once asked for a scoop of panda, and the guy went to back to get it for me.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 9:20 PM

Lord Gonchar said:

or if the parking ticket booth employee only gave you a half-hearted "have a great day."

Untrue. If anything, the better time I'm having and the more people with me, the more I notice employees with piss poor attitudes.


I'm going to go with the minority and agree with Krax as well. Usually the last thing I'm thinking about are the employees (of course there are exceptions good and bad).

I'd almost rather have that half-hearted "have a nice day" than a cheesy, fake one. Surely there's a happy medium in there somewhere. :)

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Friday, February 24, 2006 9:34 PM
kRaXLeRidAh said: And this rude employee and trash everywhere talk is really all myth.

So, fan boy, you're telling me I made up the stories about Amy & Kelly and others? I was not at SFMM alone that day...I have three other witnesses. Heck, I haven't been to an amusement park alone in about 10 years!

Everything I reported was true and factual without any agenda. If you or anyone chooses not to believe me that's your choice.

mOOSH

*** Edited 2/25/2006 2:41:33 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

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