LOL - Peta to buy (a) Sea World?

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Mamoosh said:

Way to go, Mole! Now you're ruined d_port_12E's argument. You're such a party-pooper

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Not really buddy. Breeding animals simply for the purpose of entertainment is just as bad.

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d_port_12E said:
Breeding animals simply for the purpose of entertainment is just as bad.

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I wish my life was so easy that this even remotely registered on the 'things I need to fix' radar.

^^ How so? If you're going to debate this, at least do something to support your side of things.

PETA is *against* having pets as companions now? Man, my cats are treated better than most people treat their kids! I wish I could be treated as well as they are! ;) I would love to get free food, sleep all day, have constant attention and love, free health care, and lots of playtime! :)

I LOVE animals and am VERY against abuse and think people should go to prison for mistreating them. I don't believe in puppy farms. I think cockfighting is wrong. I am sort of "iffy" on the circuses, rodeos, using animals for medical research, etc. It really depends. If the animals are treated humanely, even if they are raised for food, then I don't have a problem. I am aware that some are NOT treated humanely.

I think zoos and aquariums are awesome. Actually I love them as much as amusement parks. They are very educational and interesting. I was just at the Cinci Zoo a few weeks ago and had a blast. I didn't see any animals that looked like they were "suffering." Trust me, I keep an eye out for that s***. What I saw were a bunch of lazy, happy, playful, spoiled, healthy, well-fed animals who liked to either show off or sleep.....much like my cats. ;)

Hell, I think spaying/neutering should be a federal LAW unless you specifically plan on breeding your pet. I know TOO many people who won't fork over the money to get their pets fixed. My attitude is if you won't have your pets spayed/neutered then you shouldn't have pets. If PETA had any REAL interest in "saving" animals they would put their money into that.

I don't have an issue with hunting as long as it's for food and not for sport. Humans have been hunting since the beginning of time for food, clothing, etc.

I don't believe in pet stores that "sell" cats and dogs. Go to your humane society and adopt!

I don't agree with how some animals are treated as far as being raised to be slaughtered, but even though I am mostly vegetarian nowadays I still go to fast foods and restaurants and enjoy a good steak, wings, or burger every now and then. ;) So I guess I am a hyprocrite. Whatever. Sue me. ;)

The point is the PETA dudes (the ones that are NOT psychos) have good intentions but are going about it the wrong way. Humans are natural omnivores. We eat meat as well as veggies and fruit. This has been a fact since the beginning of time and PETA can't argue with that.

They are not going to save animals by throwing paint on fur coats or breaking into zoos and labs to "free" the animals.

-Tina

<----getting off her soapbox now. ;)

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Whether an animal is born in captivity or in the wild and then moved to captivity they both possess something called instinct. Orcas, for example, are born with an instinctive quality for social interaction. In the wild, they form bonds within their tightly-knit pods that consist of many other orcas. These pods are instinctively driven to migrate and travel hundreds, and sometimes thousands, of miles in short periods of time. Captivity takes a toll on animals, especially marine mammals. Their captive environment is extremely small when compared to their native habitat. The ratio of size difference between captive and native environments of land mammals, for example lions, and marine mammals is huge. A lot of people think that cetaceans (whales and dolphins) should not be kept in captivity because of this reason. It's really not that far fetched of an idea. Busch has sure done it's part to make the animals comfortable and relaxed in their captive pens but is that enough? Training and enrichment is the first step in keeping an animal's life stress-free but they cannot diminish stress completely. Stress-related disease and death are disproportionately represented in captive whales.
I am not saying that these animals should be released. That would be way worse for these animals' stress levels! In fact, I haven't taken this offer from PETA to be serious at all. I just don't understand why everyone starts jumping on the back of people who want better lives for these animals. It just may be that the good care and nurture that Busch, or any marine park for that matter, is not enough for keeping whales and dolphins healthy in captivity. I'm not expert, but neither are most of you. *** Edited 8/23/2008 7:42:34 PM UTC by britishdebutante***

^Why would you take PETA seriously on anything?

I don't understand people who donate money to this whackjob organization. If you want to donate money and actually have it "GO TOWARD THE ANIMALS", donate to organizations like the ASPCA.

Your donating to PETA only funds their ridiculous campaigns, not actually helping animals. They are media sluts and the leader admits to it.

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Rob Ascough said:
^^ How so? If you're going to debate this, at least do something to support your side of things.

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Which hypothetical scenario would have a bigger public out cry:

(1) Children are being sent to work in sweatshops in China.

(2) The Chinese government is offering incentives to women willing to give birth to children for the sole purpose of staffing sweatshops.

^^And most of PETA's money comes from celebrities which I think is BS. I think most of them use it as a way to promote themselves. I am sure a lot of celebrities mean well but why waste your money on a bunch of zealots who want to turn the whole world into vegans?

I admire Ted Nugent and Jewel for telling them to f*** off.

If they were REALLY interested in saving animals they would donate their money to these ASPCA's, vet clinics, and grass roots animal rescue organizations...the ones that do the REAL work and who aren't media whores.

-Tina

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Chitown said:

If you want to donate money and actually have it "GO TOWARD THE ANIMALS", donate to organizations like the ASPCA.

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I'll second that remark. Also any legit animal rescue organization would be a good choce as well. I know that the New England Aquarium in Boston does quite a few rescues and rehabs. They also work with local fishermen (big deal here in New England) on how to keep the fish stocks healthy and sustainable.

As for the animals that aren't healthy enough to go back to the wild (like a sea turtle who's lost a flipper), they are kept to help people learn about the cool creatures. *** Edited 8/23/2008 8:55:45 PM UTC by Hopman***

^That's awesome! The local humane society here in Charleston busts their butts doing what they can to rescue animals all the time....mostly cats and dogs who have aholes as owners.

I don't see PETA doing anything like that.

Yeah. If you guys ever find yourself in the Boston area, out the NEAQ. Their big attraction (and centerpice) is a 10 story giant ocean tank.

Along the humane org lines, look at all the dog breed-specific rescues out there. They're out there caring for everything from Great Danes to Chihuahuas.

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d_port_12E said:
Which hypothetical scenario would have a bigger public out cry:

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I was under the impression this would turn into an interesting debate but since you don't want to defend anything you said, I'll assume you're just trolling here. I'm done with you.

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coasterqueenTRN said:
The point is the PETA dudes (the ones that are NOT psychos) have good intentions but are going about it the wrong way... They are not going to save animals by throwing paint on fur coats or breaking into zoos and labs to "free" the animals.

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I agree with everything you said, especially this (which happens to be the point I was trying to make.) I'm not questioning the intent of the people that comprise and support PETA, I just don't agree that they're aiming for the benefit of the animals as much as they're going for attention.

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And most of PETA's money comes from celebrities which I think is BS. I think most of them use it as a way to promote themselves. I am sure a lot of celebrities mean well but why waste your money on a bunch of zealots who want to turn the whole world into vegans?

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More often than not, celebrities support something so they can promote themselves. I particularly love the ones that speak out about things like global warming while living a life of excess that contributes more to the problem than the lives of ten non-celebrities.

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Hopman said:
Yeah. If you guys ever find yourself in the Boston area, out the NEAQ. Their big attraction (and centerpice) is a 10 story giant ocean tank.

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Damn, that's one of the things I miss most about the frequent trips we used to take to Boston when I was a kid. The New England Aquarium is awesome, one of the best I've ever been to.

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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals says an undisclosed donor wants to buy at least one SeaWorld park, then free the animals and replace them with virtual-reality or animatronic displays.

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My feelings towards (against?) PETA aside, do I really want to go to Sea World to see virtual reality or animatronic animals? Cuz, ya know, I learned so much at IOA from the Triceratops Encounter and Jurassic Park River Adventure...

I SAID: Breeding animals simply for the purpose of entertainment is just as bad.

YOU SAID: If you're going to debate this, at least do something to support your side of things.

So I “defended” my claim with an analogy. Get with it.

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It's quite appropriate that you put defended in quotes, lol.

C'mon Moosh, you know some people don't know how to use quotes properly. It can be a very tricky business, actually. Didn't you see that episode of Friends where Joey kept screwing it up?

That's all I'm "saying".

I remember "that" episode!

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Mamoosh said:
It's quite appropriate that you put defended in quotes, lol.

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You're so awesome Mamoosh.

LOL. I'm many things...awesome isn't one of them :)

Uh, I'll be the judge of that ;)