letter to editor attacks SFWoA

Thursday, January 1, 2004 6:31 PM
The public knows what's going on:

Cleveland.com

(link shortened -J) *** Edited 1/2/2004 1:48:13 AM UTC by Jeff***

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 7:07 PM
Me thinks the park was doing better beore SF came in.
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Thursday, January 1, 2004 7:19 PM
His last paragraph is absurd. I would be extremely surprised to see the park close , in even the next 10 years. Obviously not an enthusiast.

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Sea world a near-carnival? LOL!!!!!

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 7:37 PM
The Wildlife side comment is one step below crazy- The addition of rides, Tiger exhibit, Mandarin restaurant, and some really fun shows makes this side alone *much* better than SeaWorld used to be. That's a whale of a tale.

On admission- Frankly, they have enough to offer to charge more for admission and season pass and they should do so IMO. The babysitter might as well rob the cradle.

On parking- This guy doesn't get out much or he would know a lot of parks charge a price similar and sometimes more than WOA does. Parking lot coasters don't come cheap.

Rides Not Operating- They should just open them anyways, even if they have problems, are understaffed, or could be unsafe. You just want to ride.

Consession stands not open- Walk to the next one... Maybe you could stand to lose a pound.

Maybe the park should close so you wouldn't have something to complain about... Wait, you probably would.

-Danny, didn't really have any of those problems this year and being sarchastic :)

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 7:38 PM

thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:
Obviously not an enthusiast.


Right. In the two years I've lurked around these boards, I've never heard an enthusiast make a ridiculous assertion like that.

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 7:55 PM
Although, parking is cheaper at Disney World.......
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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:00 PM
And your point, bigkirby...?

-Danny

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:03 PM
It doesn't matter whether this person is an enthusiast or doesn't get out much to other parks. What matters is that he is a member of the general public (which I might add is 99% of the parks guests) and sees a problem with the park. Come to think about it, I've see countless posts from enthusiasts the past 2 - 3 years bashing this very same park.

We have friends that used to have season passes to Sea World every year and after one visit to SFWoA, they were disappointed in the changes. They realize that the whales weren't part of the deal and that Busch removed them when the park was sold, but what WoA has tried to substitute just doesn't cut it with die-hard Sea World fans.

You know what gets the me the most about "enthusiasts" is that they can ***** about a park all they want and it's ok. But as soon as someone from the general public do it, they are stupid and don't know what they are talking about. It's a free world and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:07 PM
SFWOA never promised SeaWorld... they promised a Wildlife side on top of their Six Flags Ohio park. If whales were promised and they didn't get any, that would be a problem. But there were no whales and if they were disappointed in that, it's their problem. Just because I expect a new waterpark to have a wavepool, doesn't mean it will have it or that I should be upset with the park if they didn't have one.

-Danny

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:08 PM
Sounds like Danny thinks SFWOA is A-OK. Sounds like more than one would disagree.


Frankly, they have enough to offer to charge more for admission and season pass and they should do so IMO.

Last time I went, it was with a free ticket. Frankly, I felt I had been ripped off. I think Mr. Paulson pretty much hit the nail on the head.

But what do I know? Maybe Danny likes poor service, low capacity and the occasional unsafe condition.
*** Edited 1/2/2004 1:11:28 AM UTC by Gemini***

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:13 PM
Here is another interesting thread about similar matters. ;) *** Edited 1/2/2004 1:14:51 AM UTC by Dukeis#1***
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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:21 PM
Let's not turn this into another SFWOA bashing. You guys seem to hate this park , and I don't get why.

Danny seems to be smart. He actually doesn't let things get to him. He sees that there are rides at this park , which are the reason all of us go. He rides them , he finds some food , and he enjoys himself. I'm the same way. It doesn't matter to me how crappy everything seems , it's how the rides are.

Make jokes in line , play games at the park , sit down and enjoy the sights. Don't concentrate on the negative crap as hard as you can.

TPDOM , proud member of the SFKK fan club.

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Bash me , flame me all you want , somebody else will have my outlook as well *** Edited 1/2/2004 1:22:36 AM UTC by thepinkdoomofmonkeys***

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:22 PM
Maybe my experiences didn't include poor service, low capacity, or unsafe conditions. I prefer whatever I found at the park to to camcorder nazis, overcrowded midways and extreme waits, and hundreds of bugs everywhere. All of the coasters besides X-Flight (20-30 minute waits) have been walk-ons every visit. I had zero problems with trash, closed concession stands, rude employees, "poor service" (whatever that means to you, no foot massages or pampering?), or unsafe conditions (your random attraction with "Hurricane" or "Thriller" in the name?). The park isn't "A-OK", it's definitely "B-OK" with me, just like that other park in NoOh.

Maybe I should have a bad time so I can dislike it like everyone else. I feel so out of the loop... :-\

-Danny, who knows we would have nothing to talk about if the park were to ever be "decent"

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 8:58 PM
Danny can go on and on about how much he loves the park and hates some other park and what he's heard about Kennywood.

All of the I hate/I like doesn't change the reality that one park declined 7% (on top of big losses the year before), and its two Ohio competitors were both up 3% this year.

You don't have to be a math whiz to see there's obviously a problem there. If the park was so fine and dandy, clearly it would be prospering like its friends to the west and south.

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:00 PM

Koaster King said:
SFWOA never promised SeaWorld... they promised a Wildlife side on top of their Six Flags Ohio park. If whales were promised and they didn't get any, that would be a problem. But there were no whales and if they were disappointed in that, it's their problem. Just because I expect a new waterpark to have a wavepool, doesn't mean it will have it or that I should be upset with the park if they didn't have one.

-Danny


Actually, if they are not happy, it is Six Flag's problem, not the park patron. People have a certain expectation from a park when they spend their money there, and if the park does not meet that expectation, then the custumer is simply going to find another place to stend the money. That is how a free market economy works.

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:22 PM
I don't love SFWOA. I'm trying to play the other side so we have something to talk about... It's just weird that the other side is actually what really happened! I don't hate any parks and I don't want to call out the Buzzers who have said negative things about Kennywood's employees. That wouldn't be fair.

Are you sure the problem isn't that CP spent $35+ over two years on major park attractions, PKI spent millions on three fairly huge attractions, and SFWOA didn't spend money on anything much besides a few used flats being moved and waterpark additions? Why are all the other Six Flags parks down? It's not a special isolated problem to WOA no matter how much you try to make it be. Since when is SFWOA in competition with PKI? Shouldn't that be SFKK's problem?

People should know what to expect from a park and no go blindly to it. If SFWOA doesn't have whales, go to the ocean or go to a real SeaWorld park in Florida. It's not like SF should care since it isn't competition with WOA. Good deal.

-Danny

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:35 PM
Worlds of Adventure will never compete with Cedar Point. Well, not if they just try to imitate The Point.
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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:37 PM
New attractions make for excellent "marketing opportunities", something new and shiny to wave in front of those people who haven't been in awhile or may not be thinking of a day at the park....

Good customer service doesn't have the "immediacy of impact", but if (granted, it's an IF), SF really has figured out that their main problems lie in the "customer service" areas of personnel and operations, then the *trend* of decreasing atendance will turn around....you don't gain OR lose hundreds of thousands of customers overnight....;)

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:39 PM
Yea, they should definitely stop theming, including their waterpark with admission, having a marine life area, a great kids area, and short lines like The Point does.

I think most of it has to do with additions. I wouldn't have gone back to CP this year if it wasn't for TTD. I expect their attendance would have been down 3% or so if they didn't add anything. I'm sure SF is looking at GAm and GAdv more puzzled in attendance drops than the WOA drop this season. WOA dropped 2% more than GAm and likely spent much much less on additions.

-Danny *** Edited 1/2/2004 2:46:54 AM UTC by Koaster King***

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Thursday, January 1, 2004 9:41 PM
It's great to see that there is always a new topic, though worded differently but related to the exact same thing everytime, about WoA one week after the next.

Coasterman Mike - Yawn... getting tired of this egregious argument

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