Let's talk about the Crystal Beach Cyclone

Saturday, January 5, 2002 2:26 PM
I have recently been on an all out hunt to find out more about this beast, mostly on the web, but elsewhere too.  I have been to Badnitrus, and downloaded the POV, which I must say is brilliant!  (How did you do that, guys?)  I know it basically tore itself apart, and pieces are now in the Comet, but why hasn't such a design ever come around again?  There certainly is technology to build a similar coaster, and no........I am not talking about Roar. Would it suffer from severe braking?  Could it be built again?  Should it be built again?  Was Harry Traver insane?:)
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 3:14 PM
It could come back. With modern technology, I'm sure it can be recreated.
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 4:10 PM
Can anyone say "Great Coasters International, Millennium Flyer Trains" ?

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Saturday, January 5, 2002 4:16 PM
check this out:

http://cmgmodels.com


There is a amazing model of the Crystal Beach Cyclone by an amazing modeler.
If they do rebuild it it should still be in Ontario Canada - we could use more coasters up here

*** This post was edited by Canadas Coaster Drew on 1/15/2002. ***

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Saturday, January 5, 2002 5:10 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it not only dangerous because of it tearing itself apart, but because of G forces being extremely high and changing rapidly? If that is the case, sure, you could rebuild it, but why bother? For the ride to be safe, it would need to be changed, and that makes it lose the significance of it being a recration. Then why bother rebuilding it at all?
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 6:42 PM
Even more than the structural issues, people didn't want to ride it because it was too rough.  If it packs people in, a park will do everything it can to correct structural problems on a coaster.  If people don't want to ride it, a coaster is a liability for a park.
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 6:47 PM
As a woodie fiend I'm somewhat obsessed with the whole concept behind the CB Cyclone as well...alas, a true recreation of the ride would never fly...the snap changes of direction were much too severe and the ride was literally tearing itself apart.

*If* you were rich and masochistic you could probably commission CCI to recreate it for you (as the blue prints are still kicking around last I knew) but I wouldn't let anyone else ride without having them sign a waiver first :-)
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 7:10 PM
Rob,I would suggest getting yourself a copy of the book'Harry Traver,Legends of Terror.This book is available through ACE.Our regional ACE rep is Zank Umagat.He is in the Seattle area.He can be contacted through a link on the ACE website.(www.aceonline.org)
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 7:20 PM
Back then, the danger aspect was considered more "fashionable"...in today's litigious society, not even a waiver would save you from the mountain of lawsuits. 
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 9:29 PM
Ronald, thanks for the info!  Colin, if everything works with the record labels for my band, I would probably fund a small park (ala Silverwood) to build such a creation, and I am dead serious...........!

Everyone else, granted I understand that the majority of issues surrounding the coaster were safety based, but I have also read that the coaster actually didn't run at that quick a pace, and was braked heavily prior to many of the harder turns.  I have never seen old film to prove this, but I have read this.  Regardless, I would pay a ton to ride such a creation, even if it meant possible bone fractures.

I still think it is possible, although I certainly agree that it probably will never come to fruition.  Ahhh....it hurts to dream sometimes.............:)
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 6:01 AM
Although id love to see a new ride created with the design of the CB Cyclone, it wont happen without some sort of change to the design. This was actually something I wrote about in a paper early last year. The CB Cyclone was not only tearing itself apart, but was hurting riders.

There was a full time nurse on duty at all times to revive those riders who had passed out or sustained some sort of injury.

On September 2nd, 1946, the CB Cyclone closed forever About 2 weeks later the dismantling of the Cyclone started. Some of the wood and steel was used to create the Crystal Beach Comet in 1948. In 1989 when Crystal Beach was closed, the Crystal Beach Comet was then auctioned off. It went into storage for a few years, and in 1994 the Crystal Beach Comet reopened to the public at The Great Escape & Splashwater Kingdom amusement park in Lake George, NY (my homepark)

The Comet is a great ride. If your ever in Upstate NY and have the time to travel to Lake George for the day dont miss out on the Comet.

If anyone would like to see some pics ive taken, feel free to email me and ill put them online.
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*** This post was edited by CalvinJ23 on 1/6/2002. ***

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:28 AM
When was it built? 
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:39 AM
192?
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:40 AM
There is no doubt that it could be recreated and be recreated safely, no matter what anyone says.  There are now woodies that go upside-down, which hasn't happened since the Flip-Flap at Sea Lion Park in 1894.  That coaster used to snap people's ribs like twigs but does Son of Beast, no.  So there is no doubt that this amazing woodie could recreated to not hurt people.  I would love to see it go up and I believe CCI would do an awesome job.  They should seriously consider recreating this piece of wooden terror.
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 9:16 AM
it was built in 1927
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:37 AM
I wish they would try to re-create it, there is so much more techonology than there used to be so they could make it safe.  And they could also make it so it wouldn't "tear itself apart". 
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 11:49 AM
One of the main reasons we see coaster tearing themselves apart are obviously poor designs, but as anyone can attest, Psyclone at SFMM is not necessarily poorly designed, but has much too heavy trains.  There are many reasons a coaster can fall apart.  I do believe that someone can design a coaster very similar to the CB Cyclone, but I don't really see it ever happening.  It seems that designers smartly (but sadly) build coasters for the GP.  There are coasters that belie that rule (Legend comes to mind), but it is rare.
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*** This post was edited by nasai on 1/6/2002. ***

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 1:10 PM
Very true nasai, they build for the GP.  It is a very smart thing to do though, because without the GP they couldn't survive. 
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Sunday, January 6, 2002 5:43 PM
Since the Crystal Beach Cyclone is long gone, it is a Legend.  Were it still operating, no one would ride it because it would be too rough and we would all want it torn down for something better or at the very least re-profiled to make it more rideable.  That is what I like to call the "Drachen Fire Syndrome" (because we can't ride it, it is a legend... if we could ride it, we probably wouldn't want to).

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Sunday, January 6, 2002 7:16 PM
I did ride Drachen Fire, and yes it has reached legendary status, certainly due to the fact that it is currently SBNO.  At the time I rode it, two weeks into its opening season, it was my favorite coaster.  I never had the chance to ride it when it was "rough."  SLFAKE, I agree with your cynicism.  We probably would complain:).........funny.
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