Kennywood - what's up with The Exterminator???
Jeff - Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
booberrylives said:
...none of the sounds and lights were working...no sirens, no sounds, no flashing lights - just baciscally a spinning coaster in the dark now. I rode it several times...no steam, no sounds or sirens.
Read that carefully. This was the first post. I responded by saying that the sound in the ride was the same. There never were any sirens in the ride. The sound had not been altered.
I'd like to highlight that he said none of the sounds were working. Not that one of the Exterminators wasn't.
This was the original post. There was no miscommunication on my part. He was either exaggerating for his own sake, or simply wrong. Period. *** Edited 8/6/2004 11:38:54 PM UTC by kpjb***
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So there you have it. If we live in a pretend world and are willing to pretend that there are indeed no reliability problems associated with TTD, then all is cool. But, IF you dare to question the 90% number, which nobody can defend with a straight face, you are subject to posts like this and personal insults.
Note that the "establishment" love to attack Jeffrey and his numbers, but others are left to fly without question.
In fact, on this very post there has been some questionable stuff said about Exterminator that was taken at face value without question. I've laid it all out for all to see.
90%---LOL
P.S. I sincerely did not know TTD had that accident while I was on vacation Gonch. I literally watched zero television and listened to baby songs the whole trip. Thanks for the update. Sounds like it could have been worse than what it was.
We can now all try to be adults and discuss the actual evidence, or we can choose to battle about the "establishment" versus the new guys and ignore the article.
Again, I direct this back towards you, as you are the one who keeps bringing it up for some reason. The only time anyone else does is in response your accusations. Even after it got away from that sort of thing several times, you are the one who continues to turn to that arguement.
Again, it's all there to read through and sort out.
So what weird convoluted direction would you like to take the debate in next?
Oh wait - the 'incorrect' angle.
You are correct that boob got upset, but only AFTER kpbg gave false information.
That's an interesting one. I do see what you're saying to a degree. However, kpjb never gave false or incorrect info. Incomplete at worst, but I can't speak for him.
However, what I do know is your arguement falls apart the second boob mentions the phone call:
"He acknowledged every point I made about what wasn't working on the ride (how they recently fixed the fog machines, that quite a few of the other effects were still down including slime alley and the rat arm, etc. and that they were trying to deal with all these issues). "
So are the stunts broke or not being triggered or both?
Take all the replies in this thread concerning recent experiences on Exterminator. They all seem to lead the same direction. Some of the things boob was missing didn't work during his last visit and have since been fixed. It has nothing to do with proximity sensors - hell, boob even claims that KW told him this on the phone.
How you twisted that into kpjb giving false and incorrect info is exactly an example of the kind of 'arguing just to argue' that seems to be your forte.
...and finally regarding the last post:
So there you have it. If we live in a pretend world and are willing to pretend that there are indeed no reliability problems associated with TTD, then all is cool. But, IF you dare to question the 90% number, which nobody can defend with a straight face, you are subject to posts like this and personal insults.
Note that the "establishment" love to attack Jeffrey and his numbers, but others are left to fly without question.
No you're really just going in circles. First go back and re-read my rant about 'credibility' - that takes care of the 90% number that's a mystery to only you.
Then go back and read your own rant about untruths and repeating them until belief - that takes care of Jeffrey's numbers.
In fact, on this very post there has been some questionable stuff said about Exterminator that was taken at face value without question. I've laid it all out for all to see.
All you did was mention that the ride uses proximity sensors. And as established earlier in this post, the real question was about broken stunts, which kpjb, KW and boob himself all confirmed.
Your arguement is so tired, weak and repetitive that I'm able to offer rebuttal at this point by simply pointing to previous rebuttal.
It just might be time to let it go, man.
*** Edited 8/7/2004 12:07:28 AM UTC by Lord Gonchar***
I personally have never been to CP, and am far from a CP fanboy(I'm a Paramount Fanboy, thank you very much:)). But the reason that myself, as well as most anybody else whose posts you read, discourage negative remarks about Dragster is because its really getting old. Its the same thing over and over and over, and its not an interesting discussion anymore. How often do you hear about the downtime on Carolina Cyclone @ PCar as opposed to Dragsters?
I'm so sick of hearing about "Will Dragster Be up? Why is it down? Was it worth being built? Is it worth the trouble?"
I'm going to the Point for the first time ever on the 17, and quite frankly, if its not open, I'll not be too worried as I'll have well over 10 more coasters there I can ride. People are just sick of hearing other people rehash the same whine.
As for treatment of newbies, some of you say that newbies are treated poorly lately. Go talk to Kyle and see what he thinks. Sure, some people may have been harsh to him, but he's been here for a bit, and has turned into a decent poster. I actually look for his name in posts when I'm looking for names of people I want to read.
Yes, we were all new once. But most of us didn't get rude in our first couple of posts over something stupid. I personally never felt like I wasn't involved. And anybody around here is more than willing to explain things that new people don't get, like M:TR, GID, Pancakes, CO, Emgee, etc. etc.
Heck, I still have to ask mOOSH & gator what this or that means.
The problem in this thread is one that has happened with alot of new people lately. Someone comes here and states or asks something. When they don't get the reaction they want to get, they get mad and get rude. Well of course we're all going to rally around and push back. Thats the whole fun of it. Its an internet forum, and if you're taking it any bit seriously (Unless you're Jeff, who's getting rich off this site...), then you really do need to get out of the house.
Go ride a coaster. Go see a Movie. Go have dinner with friends. But for God's sake, take a break from the all important Coaster Buzz.
It seems to me like some people are making this forum alot more important than it should be, when really it should be for recreation, and not your sole port to social interaction.
Rant over. Oh, and incase you didn't know, I was kidding about Jeff getting rich off this site. He's really getting rich off of Club Memberships, and thats just wrong! (must I insert smiley face here?!?) *** Edited 8/7/2004 7:15:42 AM UTC by TeknoScorpion***
Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."
Jeffrey R Smith said:
Note that the "establishment" love to attack Jeffrey and his numbers, but others are left to fly without question.
Now let me get this straight. I don't have the time or willingness to go back and link to the other threads, but I believe in the "original" discussion, you have attacked "94%" of this site because they blindly believe a number that Jeff hands out as the uptime number for Dragster. You say that we're all mindless cult members who drink Kool-Aid because we just smile and nod about Dragster's uptime number without ANY proof of that number. When you ask Jeff for his proof, he tells you he doesn't need to show you proof and you attack the rest of us further (where's the logic in that one?).
Now, I'm going to apply your own logic to you. If you have such strong information showing that 90% uptime is a joke, where's your proof? Where's your contact at Cedar Point? Where's the equation? Where's the data citing the dates of operation, hours in operation, hours of downtime and the resulting percentage. If we're all mindless assholes who can't make a decision or have our own logical thoughts unless someone greater than our being shows us numbers we should agree with, why don't you actually challenge those numbers instead of just claiming it over and over and over. Just look at what someone just posted - 90% uptime means that 74 minutes of every 12 hour operating day, TTD is down. Most TRs cite 30 minute breakdowns, 45 minute breakdowns, 60 minute breakdowns. Rarely is there an all day breakdown, and remember that every day the ride doesn't break down, that's 74 minutes "banked" for a later breakdown without breaking that 90% uptime mark. I'd be willing to be they're at 91 or 92% uptime based on those observations! But, since you're obviously the god of all roller coaster statistics and must be at Cedar Point every day monitoring Dragster and its uptime/downtime numbers, let's see your data to back up your argument?
The same thing goes with your 94% of Coasterbuzz which is a bigger jackoff than the other number. Please, I would like you to contact every person on this site (and not just the regulars, you refer to the site as a whole, so that means every registered member) and post their opinions regarding TTD and we'll see if 94% of them say "you're stupid, why don't you just believe what Jeff tells you? TTD is great! Cedar Point roxors!!!111!!!oneone"
And a third point, if you have so difinitively proven kpJb incorrect with your big old sensor argument, where's the proof from someone who built the ride or maintains it (and I don't mean ride ops, they know nothing about the operation of the ride itself at least in the manner we're looking for). Where's the proof that Exterminator's sensors have gone bad in the past and not given a rider the full effect of a "scene" of the ride?
You want to debate statistics, fine. But if you're going to attack statistics for not having factual basis, at least have the logical sense to back your own statistics with facts, otherwise, you're doing nothing more than just pulling things out of your own self-rightous ass.
So it's go-time Jeffery Smith, put up or shut the hell up and cram your argument, your blanket statments and your self-rightous attitude up your retentive ass.
And at least have the common decency to get people's screen names right. You talk about us attacking the new guy, yet for two pages you've been calling him "boob". And you can't even get four letters right in kpjb's name. At least make the effort to get their names right ...
... oh wait, you don't make any effort to back up statistics, so you must just pull screen names out of your ass in the same manner as you do with your statistics about Coasterbuzz, TTD, Cedar Point, Exterminator, Kennywood and god knows what else you think you're the information king of.
89% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
And just for the record, I will from this point on be arguing that X has 93% uptime because I believe that there are 7% of Coasterbuzz which would blindly defend X and SFMM no matter what I say ... anyone else care for an uptime figure for their park? I have all kinds for ya ... 62.5%, 74%, 98%, hell even have a great sale going; buy 47%, get 91% free!!! Who can beat a deal like that?!?
Asshat.
Jeff - Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
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