Now tell me again why that woudln't be considered a trim?
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
I think RB is because B&M and SFGAm decided to make a GOOD ride, going for quality and not quantity (like Intamin does all too often: MF, TTD, not that there's anything wrong with that).
The trims on the third hill do not take away from the ride. Just ignore them and feel the air. From anywhere on the train. The first two rows get monster ejector air and the other rows float for hours.
Think about this next time you ride - Do you feel laterals? Is the Bull not the most smooth ride out there? What other rides have better transitions? I can think of two other rides that are this smooth and as good at transitions: Medusa and Riddler's Revenge.
Remember, quality is what counts.
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10 Steel: Superman ROS (SFNE), Batman TR (SFGAm), MForce, RBull, Riddler's R (SFMM), Superman UF (SFGAm), X-Flight, Goliath, TTDragster, Batman TDK (SFNE)
5 Wood: GRider, Viper (SFGAm), Legend, Raven, Beast
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Don't Fight It, Ride It, RAGING BULL!!!!!!- Six Flags Great America
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
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Don't Fight It, Ride It, RAGING BULL!!!!!!- Six Flags Great America
1. Whizzer being more fun than Raging Bull? I love Whizzer. I grew up on Willard's Whizzer in California. Its fun. But Raging Bull is much more thrilling, "better" ride, IMO.
2. Raptor being more intense in the second half than Batman? Unless they have installed LIM or some other acceleration device, that can't be. The spacing of the elements in Raptor much more leisurely than Batman. That said, I think Raptor is a better ride, but for wall-to-wall action and hit the brakes runs flat-out G-forced out, Batman still wins.
3. Intamin v. B&M hypers: Tough one -- Superman at SFNE is awesome - the best in my view. But MForce is terrible (compared to what it could have been). I will take Raging Bull over MF *anyday* -- aside for the 1st drop, there is no air to be found on MF.
I would love to ride Raging Bull without the 3rd hill trim -- it's totally unnecessary, and takes just enough speed off to make the ride feel sluggish (I think, having never ridden it without the trims.) Still, a solid back seat ride and an interesting design (that just needs more speed to be great.)
* Honorary mentions to SFNE Superman (love the mist tunnel) and Millennium Force.
MagnumForce said:
The midcourse on Raptor has not grabbed at all this year. The difference in ride quality is amazing. The last half of that ride is now more intense then the last half of Batman.
I agree. Raptor has been giving some kick butt rides this year thanks to the mid-course being turned off. This bird of prey has finally learned how to "fly".
X Factor
coasterdude318 said:
The bottom line is that, though Raging Bull will never compare to any Intamin coaster, it *could* (and is) a much better ride without the trims. That is, the layout certainly isn't designed to deliver like S:ROS, but the trims do significantly hurt the ride.
I love how (Edit) certain people on this site like to state their opinion as total fact. That, nate, is not the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned. I liked RB better than S: RoS. Much better. Actually, RB is my number one coaster so far, with S: RoS at #3.
A rollercoaster is only as good as you like it. That means that it's up to you whether its a good coaster or not. I like Arrows. I like really rough wood(HC5 @ the Pavalion in MB), I like B&M better(only slightly) than Intamin(though Volcano, another widely unliked coaster, is my #2 coaster).
This, to me, is the true meaning of enthusiass. When you know too much about something, it takes the fun out of it, thats why I don't try and learn all the technical aspects on a coaster. Very few of us are experts, we all do this as a hobby, not a job. Like what you like, be happy with what you have, and don't act like someone else is beneath you just because they have a differing opinion. The opinion that is most important to me is mine. I take others for face value, and make my own decisions.
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*** This post was edited by TeknoScorpion 8/7/2003 10:30:46 PM ***
Now, Imagine if you would, Millennium Force as built by B&M...
First, get rid of those crappy seat belts. Add two more seats per row, plus the most comfortable seats and restraints on any hyper around. Next, add a lift hill with a slow, exciting climb that adds to the excitement and anticipation for the ride that silent, fast, hills lack. Then add a Raging Bull drop to it, which actually includes airtime. Note: Raging Bull's drop feels higher to me then M.F.'s drop. I hate creeping down the first 1/4 of the hill...Zzzzzzz. Anyways, back to topic. Next, let's put more in the ride than just pure speed. I do like the power of M.F., but it just lacks the air that Bull has. I can think of two, maybe three, parts in MF that have air. I can think of six parts of Raging Bull with good air, including the drop. Corkscrew at CP has more air on its drop than MF. Now since the ride is not Intamin, it will run more than 50% of the time, plus it will not just be about speed, but about a great overall layout, designed for a park without a d*mn island. LOL
Oh, and about the clapping. People clap on MF because they probably waited 3 hours to ride it. Bull doesn't get claps because people only wait 15-30 minutes, so instead of clapping and feeling complete, they go get in line and ride it again. Not many people clap on rides they've ridden over and over again. I bet most of you who frequent CP don't clap at the end anymore. SFGam doesn't attract people from all over the world, so we don't have people who feel the need to clap like CP does.
This topic is dumb, Raging Bull is not dying...Space Shuttle America...NOW THAT IS DYING!
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TTD...3 Times...08/06/03...NEAT RIDE
BTW I believe Werner Stengal designed both Millie and Bull. You have obviously never ridden a REAL Intamin.
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
MagnumForce said:
BTW I believe Werner Stengal designed both Millie and Bull. You have obviously never ridden a REAL Intamin.
OK, so what do you consider to be a REAL Intamin then?
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2nd Bunny Hill, Superman: RoS SFA = AIRTIME!
BackSeat of COURSE!
BackSeat Buller, your arguments don't hold. Millennium Force is an extremely reliable ride, and has been since day one (ie it's running far more than 50% of the time). This goes for the other Intamin hypercoasters as well. Additionally, people clap on Millennium Force and S:ROS no matter how long the line is. If anything, a shorter line makes me enjoy the ride more because I'm not already pissed off when I finally get to ride (and thus, more likely to clap).
-Nate
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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.
If something is my opinion, I state it as such. I don't say "All coasters by designer/company/at park X suck, thats the bottom line". I applaud you on having your own opinion, but stating it as fact, which is what you did, makes it seem as if you are saying that only your opinions count. Disagreeing with someone is fine, heck I think Arrows are good coasters, and most will say that i'm full of *hit, but thats an opinion. I do agree with some things you say, even on this thread.
Basically, stating your opinion is fine, but do that. Don't write it in a way that makes it look like you're an expert in a field that is, in reality, just your hobby. That makes you look like an enthusiass(I do agree with your definition on that, but saying that something is the bottom line is like telling someone that is how they are to enjoy something).
When you say that something is crap, or something is the best, thats fine, but there is no need to add a "Bottom Line", cause that just makes it sound like you're stating it as fact. I see you say things like that alot.
Again, I have nothing personal against you, I don't know you, but saying that something is this or that way, when that is only your opinion is just a bit on the egotist's side, if you ask me.
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I have never stated an opinion and claimed it as fact. You don't need to add "in my opinion" to every opinion you state because it's redundant and ridiculous. Generally knowledgable people are able to ascertain that it's an opinion simply because it cannot be proven.
Bottom line is (again, substitute "to summarize" if you wish), saying "Bottom line is" does not claim that the following words be taken as absolute fact. An opinion can just as easily follow and still be acceptable. I suggest actually thinking about what people are saying before jumping to conclusions. The only thing I find egotistic in this thread is the fact that you apparently felt the need to correct a problem that didn't even exist, since clearly (as evidenced by no posts challenging it) the rest of the CB world realized it was my opinion, and just an opinion.
MagnumForce: This may be the first time we've agreed, I dunno, but I did throw in some Magnum slams for good measure.
-Nate
Whoa...I am channelling WWE superstars... ;)
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I just rode Raging Bull three times on Sat and Sunday of this past weekend and it hasn't lost a step. Sure it wasn't running the BEST it's ever run, but it definitely wasn't running poorly.
The trim on the third hill was activating and the blocks were activating. Sometimes the blocks were hitting a little hard, but by the end of the coaster, the train was still traveling as fast as it normally does. We rode in row 9 all three times and there are six to seven spots of air depending if you're on the left side of the train or not.
Raging Bull is still alive and kicking ass!
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Top Thrill Dragster -- The most intense, unbelievable, and spectacular fifteen seconds on any coaster, anywhere, ever.
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