Intamin Rockets - Why so expensive?
ThePhantomLives said:
SFMM already has $30 mil int hier pockets for next years coaster(s), and management has already told Maintnace to start proposals for the 2004 coaster.
Ugh. Crap. You're making stuff up. Need I remind you again that CP and SFMM do not compete. Nobody in Cleveland cares about SFMM any more than people in LA care about CP.
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ThePhantomLives, you said that this was ANOTHER filler ride for CP? What was the first? Wicked Twister? Pretty damn expensive filler ride.
You also asked if we thought CP would spend it's budget on this? You mean the TALLEST, FASTEST coaster ever? Hell yeah I do!
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Simply put the only people who care about which park has the most coasters is people like us. And people like us make up about .01 percent of any revenue either park generates. They do not compete. They just keep adding rides to keep the public coming at sfmm because if they didnt the horrible service would drive people away. Cp adds more rides to seduce the public once again. Jeeze it isn't that complicated. No one is "gearing up for war" that's just retarded.
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Jeff said:
ThePhantomLives said:
SFMM already has $30 mil int hier pockets for next years coaster(s), and management has already told Maintnace to start proposals for the 2004 coaster.
Ugh. Crap. You're making stuff up. Need I remind you again that CP and SFMM do not compete. Nobody in Cleveland cares about SFMM any more than people in LA care about CP.
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I have many friends in the park, the same ones that told me about Scream (do I need to remind every freakin one that I broke news on that as well?) I have friends in almost every position at MM, and let me assure you that maintnance is one of the desciding factors on what MM will get. They turned down the woodie because they know they don't have the budget or manpower to cope with another woodie at SFMM. As I've said many times before- sit back, watch it happen... and just remember who told you about it. I'm getting sick of breaking news on here only to be questioned and todl to "back it up". You guys told me to "back up" my claims when I said SFMM would be getting a standard floorless with a layout similar to Medusa East... and guess what happened
Just because I'm not obsessed with the site and don't have 2000 posts doesnt mean I don't know my stuff, so please do yourself a favor and stop questioning things YOU have no clue about. Also, SFMM just got Flashback up and runnign yesterday, I wonder why? I don't think its for the public, they hate it, its FOR THE RECORD. Why do you think CP is suddenly whipping out 2 coasters in 2 years the second MM ties them with the record? Why do you think they built 2 relatively cheap coasters? Give me a break guys, there's obviously a reason why both parks are throwing out coasters left and right all of a sudden, when our economy sucks and attendance is dropping?
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I have friends in almost every position at MM, and let me assure you that maintnance is one of the desciding factors on what MM will get. They turned down the woodie because they know they don't have the budget or manpower to cope with another woodie at SFMM.
(forgive me for quoting, but I needed to cut through the crap)
Am I the only one that really doubts this? Maintenance fixes the rides, they don't buy them. The mechanics don't have voting rights.
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Why do you think CP is suddenly whipping out 2 coasters in 2 years the second MM ties them with the record? Why do you think they built 2 relatively cheap coasters? Give me a break guys, there's obviously a reason why both parks are throwing out coasters left and right all of a sudden, when our economy sucks and attendance is dropping?
Easy. Cedar Point want's to deal a fatal blow to Worlds of Adventure.
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In my opinion, Cedar Point is already beating a dead horse (SFWoa)
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Phantom, if you indeed had contacts at SFMM, then you would know how quickly and often things change as far as future projects go. So why not just keep your trap shut until something is official? Rebel Rocket and the Intamin woody don't ring enough of a bell for you?
Parks add coasters to bring people through the gate...period. And any park that *doesn't* have their eyes on economics while doing so is in alot of trouble.
Get your ego in check. How many times did you use "I" in your last post? Your not as important as you think you are.
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The top 3 all time cobrarolls.
1)Raptor's
2)Deja Vu's (times 3)
3)Batman Knight Flight's
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
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Back on topic...
The majority of cost involved with this ride (ignoring construction costs) is eaten up by the launch mechanism, the control systems, and the trains. Track is realtively cheap compared to everything else on the ride. I would expect this ride to cost a bit more than Xccelerator because it is taller, and because it is proven technology. Sometimes parks can get a break on a prototype with unproven technology (X, Deja Vu) and accept that it may not work and will need more money.
Anyways, I still don't see why Cedar Fair couldn't have spent a few more million and added another 1000 feet of track to the rides to make it a more complete ride. Xccelerator's launch and top hat are amazing, don't get me wrong. But the two overbanked turns are very underwhelming and a let down, and then you hit the brakes doing 60. It is a waste to run 2 trains on the ride. The second train can not advance to the station until the first train is on it's way down the top hat. By the time the second train is parked in the station and the restraints release, the first train has passed through the brakes and is on the transfer table. A second train saves all of 30 seconds between launches. That sounds like a lot, but launches are around 2 to 3 minutes apart thanks to the stupid policy that all of the operators must lower your lap bar for you.
These rides really ought to just run one train and save the other one to alternate with. That would cut maintenence costs down, and would hardly hurt the capacity.
Or of course they could design a full size ride so that the time from launch to brakes was a bit higher than 22 seconds. Just think how much more fun some high G turns would be, or some bunny hops, or another top hat would be.
-Ride_Op
CobraRoller said:
I'd rather see Six Flags Magic Mountain get rid of a couple of coasters like Psyclone and Flashback before they build any more new ones. The same with Cedar Point. I'd like to see them get rid of Mean Streak before they build another new coaster, but I know neither of these things are going to happen.
Why get rid of it if it still works? I don't see any of those mentioned three going anywhere unless both parks finds it an extreme necessity to do so.
Ride op, You are pretty much wrong but not totally.
The majority of cost on a steel coaster is supports and the track itself. When every footer has to be 30-80ft deep of steel rebar-reinforced concrete, The cost really add up. The higher you go, the deeper and wider the support base. I would imagine the tower itself has enough concrete to build well over a hundred foundations for houses.
The operation systems are already developed, their cost is pretty much fixed.
Now for this new ride there are some other cost to come into play. Im sure the wheels may be as big as 24 inches and several other modifications to normal steel coaster technology.
Chuck
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Footers 80 feet deep?? Thats a new one on me....I thought most footers average about 6-12 feet deep, 15-20 feet at most.
Though Intamin box track isn't cheap, its not as expensive as B&M Hyper track. I would say the Launch mechanism is the most expensive piece due to the amount of important components. I also remember hearing something about the copper fins having to be replaced quite regularly on Xcelerator so Knotts had to purchase the equipment to forge them in house. I would guess "Dragster" to be in the 15-16 million range, not much more than Xcelerators 13 million dollar pricetag. But hey, what the hell do I know :)
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kRaXLeRidAh said:
CobraRoller said:
I'd rather see Six Flags Magic Mountain get rid of a couple of coasters like Psyclone and Flashback before they build any more new ones. The same with Cedar Point. I'd like to see them get rid of Mean Streak before they build another new coaster, but I know neither of these things are going to happen.
Why get rid of it if it still works? I don't see any of those mentioned three going anywhere unless both parks finds it an extreme necessity to do so.
Why keep unpopular and no fun rides? In my eyes, the three of those are space wasters and record keepers.
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The top 3 all time cobrarolls.1)Raptor's
2)Deja Vu's (times 3)
3)Batman Knight Flight'sIf it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Well I should correct myself. The depth depends on where the bedrock is underneath the footer.
We are talking a structure over 400ft here and how wide?
Example, Drop Zone at PKI has rebar drilled 80ft deep into bedrock for it's 317ft structure on a base at least 40ft wide.
Chuck, who knows nothing about the exact specifications of #16 but is just speculating.
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