Intamin Hyper vs. B&M Hyper

I have a preference to the MF trains, and so what if I say Intamin because of MF, MF is that good. It's nice to throw your legs out and not touch the floor easily on the B&Ms, but the restraints on Apollo's Chariot, you can hear them clicking down as the train swoops down the first couple of hills, something the Intamin restraint on MF told me it wasn't going to do to me. One thing for sure, when properly restrained, I was far more comfortable in the Intamin giga train. The B&M speed train is very novel, although very fun, and I like a "regular" styled car. Open air is nice, but I like to be sitting all the way, so Intamin gives it up. Even if I get only a spot or two of air, my back doesn't get sore after a day of riding with my feet up, that makes me pick Intamin alone.

Wouldn't "you" think that B&M could of made Nitro a giga-coaster with all of the open land in the woods?

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StealthmF5m3 said:
"The winner is: B&M. For a couple of reasons. The trains on a B&M hyper are very appealing (to me, but I don't know about the rest of y'all). The pre-drop on a B&M hyper (Raging Bull, Apollo's Chariot) are awesome if you are seating in the back because it "pulls of over." If you are in the front, you get a great view. The B&M hyper can seat 4 in each row. So if a B&M is running a three train operation, the line goes very quickly. Can an Intamin do that?

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And the first drop on Raging Bull is fantastic. I go with B&M, fot those reasons and many more. I did however love MF...alot, but B&M's just have it all right IMO.
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I've only been on one Intamin (MF) and one B&M (AC). If I traveled more I would have Raging Bull and S:ROS at Darien Lake under my belt too since they are the next closest of the companies respective coasters (Last at SF NJ in 96). MF is more about speed because of its height and what not. AC was smooth and fast. My verdict: I like them both since Intamin has the speed I like and B&M offers the air I like.

I think B&M might have been the first choic for MF, but was propbably too expensive

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nitro and raging bull are the tightest coasters around but i have to say that MF and superman at SFNE gave more ejector airtime. I perfer B&M over intamin but superman is by far the best hyper coaster, the perfect combination of lateral g's and negative g's. Nothing beats superman!!!

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StealthmF5m3 said:
"Wouldn't "you" think that B&M could of made Nitro a giga-coaster with all of the open land in the woods?
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Whats with all the quotes? Almost everytime you post, you have those pointless quotes. Why?

Anyway, judging by the two hypers that I have been on (Nitro and S:ROS @SFDL), I like Intamin better. Nitro has more occasions of airtime, but the airtime on S:ROS is much more intense. The flat sections and high speed turn after the first drop are amazing also. However, one advantage to riding a B&M hyper are the trains. If you are on the outside seat, it's like riding a floorless with a lapbar.

Intamin!
I like B&M, but Intamin's hypers/gigas are as smooth as glass(Only been on a giga, but I've heard good things about S;ROS), and more thrilling in my opinion.

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The original question was "So which ones are smoother? B&M, or INTAMIN?"

The answer to that question is EASILY B&M. Anyone who says otherwise is really answering the question "Which do you like better". There is no rattle, shaking, vibration whatsoever on the B&M hypers I've ridden (RB, NITRO) but the Intamin hypers (Millie, S:ROS@SFA) have a definite "feel" to them as you can sense the track vibrations. Personally, I like the feel of the Intamins better because the B&Ms were "too smooth". The 'layouts' of the Intamins however, leaves a little to be desired (too straightforward) so Raging Bull is my favorite steelie.
lata,
jeremy
--who will HAVE to wait to ride S:ROS @ SFNE
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StealthmF5m3 said:
"Wouldn't "you" think that B&M could of made Nitro a giga-coaster with all of the open land in the woods?

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Isn't the reason they took out the dip before the first drop on Nitro was because they did not have room. If there was not enough room for a small dip then how would they add another 70 feet to the coaster.

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I would like to ride a B&M hyper, but so far, I've only done a Intamin giga...I'm going to Switzerland in 2002, and hopefully, I might get to see the headquarters for B&M :)

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busch gardens1 said:

"Most of you all just like Intamin because of
Millenium Force. B&M is way better."

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Tell it like it is brotha !

Don't get me wrong, I love Intamins too...but no doubt in my mind that B&Ms are smoother, if only slightly.

I actually experienced a little roughness on both V2 and Raging Bull yesterday, believe it or not. On the yellow padded train on Raging Bull, it was rattling and vibrating a bit. I suspect due to a worn wheel. I rode it several more times later in the day and it was fixed. Similar thing with V2, but the source was more difficult to ascertain. You could definitely feel significant vibrations that I don't recall feeling on it in the past.

Ya know, now that I think about it...they are probably very close to each other when it comes to "smoothness". What we are probably debating more is which is more "comfortable", which is certainly more of a preference than a fact. My vote still goes to B&M.
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*** This post was edited by Joe Carroll on 8/11/2001. ***

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StealthmF5m3 said:
"The B&M hyper can seat 4 in each row. So if a B&M is running a three train operation, the line goes very quickly. Can an Intamin do that?"

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Yes, actually, they can. Intamin trains fit four per car, as do B&Ms. Although Intamin only has two per row, they have two rows. There's this little ride in northern Ohio, you have have heard of it, Millennium Force? Well, it runs three trains, which each hold thirty six passengers. Then there's this small purple thing in Virginia, called Apollo's Chariot. It runs three trains, which each holds thirty two passengers. Wouldn't you say that three trains with thirty six riders would move a line a little faster than three trains with thirty two riders?
Back to the subject. I personally found Apollo's Chariot to be a little smoother than Millennium Force, but as a ride, felt that AP left just a little bit to be desired.

-Chris

Eggs, thank you. I love it when people who seem to think they know exactly what they are talking about are proved wrong.

INTAMIN INTAMIN INTAMIN!!!!!!!!! i find intamin's "least exciting hyper" s:ros @sfdl to be a hell of a lot more exciting then b+m's "most exciting hyper" nitro. There for, intamin
gets my vote.

Oh, and by the way....Intamin...Rough????? No.
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there are differences to each. Intamin tends to stay low to the ground. turns are lower and air time is decreased. Intamin has more traditional cars while B&M use open-sided cars. B&M go really high and give good air time. B&M use mid-course brakes while Intamin doesn't. I've only been on RB and SROS @ SFDL and I'd say that I like B&M better. they are both smooth and besides you've got a lap bar, what can hurt from roughness? I must say, though, that Intamin did pick SROS @ SFNE up off the ground. I like that layout, but MF and SROS @ SFDL suck in my opinion. all three B&M layouts are great to me.
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eggs said:
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StealthmF5m3 said:
"The B&M hyper can seat 4 in each row. So if a B&M is running a three train operation, the line goes very quickly. Can an Intamin do that?"

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Yes, actually, they can. Intamin trains fit four per car, as do B&Ms. Although Intamin only has two per row, they have two rows. There's this little ride in northern Ohio, you have have heard of it, Millennium Force? Well, it runs three trains, which each hold thirty six passengers. Then there's this small purple thing in Virginia, called Apollo's Chariot. It runs three trains, which each holds thirty two passengers. Wouldn't you say that three trains with thirty six riders would move a line a little faster than three trains with thirty two riders?
Back to the subject. I personally found Apollo's Chariot to be a little smoother than Millennium Force, but as a ride, felt that AP left just a little bit to be desired.

-Chris"

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Yes, but we also have to take into account the dispatch interval. Apollo's Chariot may have higher capacity due to it having a block brake in the middle of the ride, rather than brakes before an unload station like on Millennium Force.

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eggs said:
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StealthmF5m3 said:
"The B&M hyper can seat 4 in each row. So if a B&M is running a three train operation, the line goes very quickly. Can an Intamin do that?"

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Yes, actually, they can. Intamin trains fit four per car, as do B&Ms. Although Intamin only has two per row, they have two rows. There's this little ride in northern Ohio, you have have heard of it, Millennium Force? Well, it runs three trains, which each hold thirty six passengers. Then there's this small purple thing in Virginia, called Apollo's Chariot. It runs three trains, which each holds thirty two passengers. Wouldn't you say that three trains with thirty six riders would move a line a little faster than three trains with thirty two riders?"

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(sarcasm)
Strange, each and every time I've ridden Apollo's Chariot, it had nine rows of four across, for a total of 36 people per train. Since when did they shorten the train to eight rows? (/sarcasm).

Not to mention the fact that Apollo's Chariot can do at least 300pph more than MF. I'm estimating MF at 1200pph and AC at 1500pph.

Besides, capacity tends to rely more on blocking rather than how many a train can hold.

A small Arrow looper at a midwestern park can have more pph than a B&M hyper at same midwestern park. Yet, it has 12 less seats per train. Interesting, no?

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What about Arrow or Morgan or GIOVANOLA!:):):):) Sorry but I think Goliath is the best Hyper out there.

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Well this is interesting. Everyone knows that B&M coasters, whether you like it or not, are the smoothest coasters out there. However, I'm going to shut my mouth on the B&M hyper coasters because I haven't ridden one yet. After I go to SF(Great Adventure) and ride Nitro tommorow I'll tell you how it is. Intamin hypers are unbelievable. S:ROS at SFNE was my first hyper. I think that enhanced the experience. S:ROS was a littler smooth, but you could tell that if it required shoulder-harnesses, it would have been a bit of a bumpy ride. Don't get me wrong though, the coaster was still great!!! That 78 degree drop was unbelievable!!! The airtime was incredible!!! I didn't expect to come out of my seat so much on that ride. One thing's for sure, beating S:ROS will be tough. We'll have to see if Nitro can do it. Either way, both companies have dished out some incredible coasters and will probably continue to due so for a long time.

By the way? Isn't Nitro the first B&M coaster(hyper or looping) that doesn't have a little dip at the beginning? Somebody said it was because of limited space. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

ive ridden AC and MF. My vote definately goes to Intamin. I personnaly like the Intamin trains better than the B&M trains. The overall ride was much better on MF.