How Can Steel Dragon 2000 be faster Than Millenniu
What I don't get is how it can go 2 mph faster when the official measurements only has SD2K taller by 8 inches.
We can re-test the two roller coasters and see if the speeds are the same. Weight does effect the speed of the ride. And Millennium Force's trains are heavier (that is why they used the elevator lift). I think that they should re-test because Millennium Force should go faster.
CPgenius said:
"What I don't get is how it can go 2 mph faster when the official measurements only has SD2K taller by 8 inches."
How is 318 FT and 310 FT only 8 inches apart? And if you say it is elevation, then I'll use the drop statistics...How is 308 FT, 8 inches apart from 300 FT?
MFfan said:
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i'm going to say mf goes faster than they say it does. i got the chance to ride in the front seat and it sure does feel like it goes faster than 92 or 94 or whatever it is. but anyways who cares how fast it goes it is still fast and thrilling. that i what we ride coasters for it the thrill right?
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front car on mf. hope you have the chance to do it."
You're telling us that you can exactly pin point the exact speed you're feeling when you're on a coaster? How do you "feel" like its going faster than 93 MPH. What does 93 MPH feel like in contrast to 96 MPH? Barely any difference that you could physically feel.
Millennium Force can't even REACH 96, and that's pushing it with a LOT of assumptions. See
http://www.gregleg.com/coastershrine/CP/MFTopSpeed.php
I agree that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway even if it could ;)
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I agree that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway even if it could ;)
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I thought that Steel Dragon is only about 2 feet higher than MF.
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I think when they did the official measurements, they came up with MF at 310' 11", and SD2000 at 311' 8" (check http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/record_catagories/recordhome.asp?RecordID=49969 to see the official SD2000 measurement.) My MF measurement info is from a GTTP news item last year, quoted below:
Millennium Force official stats revealed August 16, 2000, 12:35:43 PM (ET) - posted by Jeff
Cedar Point commissioned Sandusky, Ohio firm John Hancock and Associates to calculate the height of Millennium Force. The official height was measured at 310 feet, 11 inches.
The official speed was measured by Stalker Radar of Indianapolis. They measured 93 mph, just slightly higher than the 92 mph that the park had been advertising since announcing the ride in July of 1999.
Jman
Millennium Force official stats revealed August 16, 2000, 12:35:43 PM (ET) - posted by Jeff
Cedar Point commissioned Sandusky, Ohio firm John Hancock and Associates to calculate the height of Millennium Force. The official height was measured at 310 feet, 11 inches.
The official speed was measured by Stalker Radar of Indianapolis. They measured 93 mph, just slightly higher than the 92 mph that the park had been advertising since announcing the ride in July of 1999.
Jman
JORDON DUNHAM said:
"It also has to do with the temperature and humidity. They have clocked MF at like 100 mph on a really humid day and I think maybe even more than that on a wet day."
They fixed that problem over the winter though. They put different types of wheels in different places so they wouldnt have to worry about the burning of the wheels anymore. The reason i know this is because i heard the intamin rep. talk at coaster mania.
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CP in 2002, get to the point
Whether or not they "fixed that problem", they STILL could never have "clocked MF at like 100 mph".
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Lets just get over it! SD2K is faster than MF... Who cares? They are still their own ride. MF is still MF. SD2K is still SD2K. Why worry about the speeds of two coasters that are a world away?
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Why are any of us talking about this... cant we jsut have fun on the coasters and not care about three miles an hour.
i mean please, whis is all of this Mass X Velocity=Acceleration stuff... just have fun o the coaster and love it or what it is!!!
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Life is short, make it count...
i mean please, whis is all of this Mass X Velocity=Acceleration stuff... just have fun o the coaster and love it or what it is!!!
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Life is short, make it count...
SD2K trains appear more aerodynamic, the only thing sticking out of the trains are the rider's heads (if that in Japan, bad joke) whereas MF trains are rather high-drag with most of the rider's sitting on top in the airstream.
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Reaching for my 100th in 2001, currently 4 short, I guess I should have ridden more clones and boomerangs. NAAAAAHHHHH!!
Children, children... SD2K just is. Let's take ALL the factors out of this except height, (it has allready been proven above that the lift has NOTHING to do with it) SD2K is higher therefore has more speed. Now lets just all get along ;). You can't change Physics.
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maybe its the trains that make it go faster. just look at the trains on SD2K they are pretty huge compared to the ones on MF. And steepness of the drop is a huge factor on a coaster drop. less friction on the wheels.
Some ridiculous replies:
Higher Elevation -> thinner air -> less wind resistance.
Higher Elevation -> less gravity -> weaker pull downwards.
These are both completely ridiculous. Sneezing on the ride would have more affect on the speed. If you want the details and math, I can show 'em.
The probably cause is the size of the wheels. Larger wheels roll faster than smaller ones.
If you want to see, roll a quater and a dime down a slope. The quater goes faster, simply because it's got a bigger radius.
Higher Elevation -> thinner air -> less wind resistance.
Higher Elevation -> less gravity -> weaker pull downwards.
These are both completely ridiculous. Sneezing on the ride would have more affect on the speed. If you want the details and math, I can show 'em.
The probably cause is the size of the wheels. Larger wheels roll faster than smaller ones.
If you want to see, roll a quater and a dime down a slope. The quater goes faster, simply because it's got a bigger radius.
Somebody probably already said this but... Again, steepness has no effect, a roller coaster will only gain speeds on curves and lose speed on curves, which is why if you go over a camelback hill, you will feel the difference of speed as you curve over and as you curve up at the bottom..Ahh..High School physics as a Sophomore.. :)
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Millennium Force has a drop of 300 feet. That means that the train doesn't drop the full 310 foot height.
Steel Dragon 2000 has a height of 318 feet. That's 8 feet taller then Millennium Force. The train drops 306 feet. The train is getting forced down by gravity 6 feet longer then Millennium Force. Therefore, the train has more opportunity to gain speed. The train gains 2mph with the 6 foot longer drop.
Steel Dragon 2000 has a height of 318 feet. That's 8 feet taller then Millennium Force. The train drops 306 feet. The train is getting forced down by gravity 6 feet longer then Millennium Force. Therefore, the train has more opportunity to gain speed. The train gains 2mph with the 6 foot longer drop.
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