Holiday World should ban smoking
But in an open air, smoking permitted scenario, if it is that big of a risk and you know the rules - then yes, it's your responsibilty to look out for your kids (or yourself or whoever). It's still the double standard. Why, when it comes right down to it and I'm following all posted and accpeted rules, am I expected to give up one of my basic rights because your kid has a health condition? If it's that big of a risk maybe you shouldn't take your child to places where their health issue could be affected. If you do, you're taking the same sort of risk I choose to take by smoking.
That's where the argument ends - period. It's a standstill. Do I stop smoking to accomodate you or do you stay away to accomodate me?
While I believe the correct answer is that I do my best to accomodate you and in turn you do the same, many non-smokers tend to be incredibly intolerant and not open to discussion. It seems to be an "I'm right, you're wrong" sort of thing most of the time.
Has anybody thought about the fact that an amusement park is private property and if the park feels that they don't want people smoking in their place then their guests are obliged to comply?
Very true. Yet no park that I know of has implimented any rules like this. So perhaps it's truly the other way around. The park allows me to smoke, if its such an issue to you then sorry, but you're obliged to play by park rules while you're there and the rules say I can smoke. I always go to designated smoking areas at parks that have them, I never light up in a queue or other area where it's prohibited - heck, I'm a model smoker - courteous, rule abiding and a nice guy to boot.
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1. How many people who attend parks are very affected by people smoking on the midway, (i.e. affected your personal well being and affected your overall enjoyment at the park).
Bottom line is, when anyone lites up on the midway, if perhaps you are in a position to where the smoke was bothering you, you could move three feet and avoid it. Now for a smoker to go to a park and spend all day without a cigarette, now thats a little more work than moving three feet. Sure, its a dirty habit, and they are addicted, but that doesnt make them any less of a person.
2. How many of you have asked a person in line for a ride, to kindly extinguish their smoke?
Those people who are breaking the rules have some issues as they think it is not going to bother anyone, but asking them nicely to not smoke will do the job 99.9 percent of the time. Most of you are so damn anti-smoking, but out of the 30 times I have seen somone lite up in line, I have never seen anyone ask them to put it out unless it was a park employee. I see people make faces, wisper, and wave their hand in front of their face, but never say anything.
Thats part of the problem! Some smokers think its just a stupid rule, but I guarantee that if people asked them to put it out, they would.
Moral of the story.....
You don't have to write your congresman, you dont have to call your local theme park, or set up a rally in front of phillip morris. All you have to do is ask the person to in line to put out their smoke. If it happens to be that .01 percent that gives you trouble, find a park employee. Its that easy.
Did anyone tell him to put out the cigarette? Yes. A lady asked the man if he could not smoke in the line and that she was having trouble breathing.
The man just laughed and kept smoking.
Now I know that this thing would not NORMALLY happen. I'm sure people who smoke would be nice enough to put it out if asked. The only thing I don't get is this...
Patrick K: Why should a non-smoker have the responsibility of asking a smoker to put out their cigarette in the Q? The smoker is breaking the rule and you make it sound as if...
"well, if non-smokers told smokers to put out their cigarettes more often then we wouldn't have this problem."
I know those weren't your exact words but that's what I picked up from it. If a smoker is smoking in a Q then they should be expecting the "dirty looks" and "whispering" and "coughing."
The non-smokers are not security.
If smoking on the midways is okay, then the non-smoker SHOULD move if it's bothering them. There should be no exceptions in a Q though where smoking is not prohibitted.
Why should a non-smoker have the responsibility of asking a smoker to put out their cigarette in the Q?
Ummm.... because they're the ones being annoyed.
If I'm standing on the ground, and someone's above me pouring thick, tasty Heinz Ketchup on my head, I'm not going to stand there and give a dirty look. I am annoyed, and I'm going to yell "HEY! PUT AWAY THE THICK, TASTY HEINZ KETCHUP, JACK!"
You should do the same if someone's smoking in line. You should do the same if you see someone shoplifting in a park gift shop. You should do the same if you see someone line jumping.
Out of the millions of people visiting parks every year there are gonna be at least 18 that don't know you can't smoke in a queue. If it bothers you, and there's no employee around, then it is your personal responsibilty to tell them to stop.
A lady asked the man if he could not smoke in the line and that she was having trouble breathing. The man just laughed and kept smoking.
HA HA HA HA HA HA.... yeah, whatever. Get it through your skull that no one here is condoning that.
One rude act by someone breaking the rules does not apply to millions who follow them.
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I also think that a lot of this is to blame on the park and their staff.
Every time I wait in line for Medusa at SFGAdv. I see that empty chair in the Q. That's the chair where a park employee should be sitting. Maybe if the park USED that chair, we wouldn't have smoking in the Q's or any other anoying things such as line jumping, etc.
Now I know thats far off, but its basically the same thing. If you want to smoke, fine. Just don't smoke around me where I'm close enough to breath it in. I feel that you need to move because you were the one who lit up near me (granted that if you were allready smoking and I got near you, then I wouldn't expect you to move).
Another situation, say I like to spray fruit smelling hair spray into my hair while walking down the midways (note this isn't dia allowed by any park). Over spray happens to blow (just like smoke) onto someone who didn't want to smell it, get it on their clothes, nor on their skin. Now would you know be upset over this? You know smell like fruit, the smell is in your clothes, and you can fell it on your skin. Should I have been the one required to move away from everyone or should the person who I was annoying ben the one who should have moved away...humm.
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I have a strong allergic reaction to smoke because of Asthma. In fact, when I was a really young child, I had an asthma attack from inhaling just a bit of my mom's second hand. Since then, she stopped smoking around me, and eventually quit.
I did get better with coughing by drinking a full soda and part of Alex's souvenir cup. Smoking is banned in the queves. But it should be enforced, especially in the long lines. I don't care if they have to take workers from a flat ride or a shop and not run/open it, and have those workers monitor the queves. Next thing you know, Frightfest scenery will be me.
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I lost my hat on Poison Ivy. How pathetic.
Mark Burleson said:
This is for all of you who says that "people who don't like my smoke on the midways, then you should move, not me". Say the roads are iced over in the winter time. I feel like....
Mark: Your analogy muses me to the point that I am going to run with it.
While I drive, I watch out for ANYone driving fast or recklessly. If I do see them, I get over so they can pass, or avoid them all together. It doesnt matter where you are or what you do!!!!
Somone farts in the subway, I move to a different area. Some lady starts sprayin perfume, I walk away. I'm walking by an open sewer grate, and there is toxic fumes coming out, I don't go near it.
I am watching a parade, sitting in a ballpark, walking down the midway at my favorite park, watching the sunset on a park bench, waiting for a bus at the stop, and somone starts smoking and it bothers me, I either move or ask them to put it out. That simple. Cry all you want, I hate it when people bounce basketballs at theme parks, and nothing is getting done to prevent that....
Also, since when could bouncing a basketball be a health risk to those around it? I know the health thing is repetative and irritating to some, but it's an important factor in this issue.
There's a big difference between ANNOYING things and ANNOYING things that are HAZARDOUS to your HEALTH.
Patrick K said:
Somone farts in the subway, I move to a different area. Some lady starts sprayin perfume, I walk away. I'm walking by an open sewer grate, and there is toxic fumes coming out, I don't go near it.I am watching a parade, sitting in a ballpark, walking down the midway at my favorite park, watching the sunset on a park bench, waiting for a bus at the stop, and somone starts smoking and it bothers me, I either move or ask them to put it out. That simple. Cry all you want, I hate it when people bounce basketballs at theme parks, and nothing is getting done to prevent that....
My first analogy wasn't the greatest, I'll give you that. But why do I have do move (granted I don't HAVE to, but I wont go into the secondhand smoke affects again). If I want to do something that affects others in negative way (lets say farting), I try to do it away from other people. Why should they be forced to move when I do something they don't like and has a physical affect on them? I find that rude to fart in a crowd. See, this is how America has become: I will do whatever I want, regardless of how it affects others, and people have a problem with it, then they can get the hell away from me. Its really sad that we have become like that, were people cant be courtious to others, because they are too lazy.
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*** This post was edited by Mark Burleson 8/9/2003 10:48:22 PM ***
The people who are so inconsiderate as to light up in queues in th first place are almost always so inconsiderate as to not respond to a polite request to stop smoking even when they are told that they are blowing smoke in the face of someone with asthma. I speak from experience.
Mark Burleson said:
I feel like going 40 mph, the more "at risk speed (smoking) while you are going 20 mph, the safer speed (not smoking). I am coming up behind you while going over a hill, and I don't see you in time. I hit you (second hand smoke).
Well, if you hit me with your car, just once, you could kill me. I could expose you to second hand smoke consistently for decades before it would have any noticeable affect.
Perhaps you should better spend your time trying to do something about icy roads.
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GoliathKills said:
Smokers suck. End of story. On midways I even have trouble with smokers. Why should I have to move for someone elses poor and sickening choice? If you are going to smoke somewhere public, at least have some shame. If you are going to smoke around other people, think about what your second hand smoke is doing.------------------
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I am going to start smoking just for the simple hope that my second hand smoke may rid me of you. Why should someone have shame in doing something that's perfectly legal, and enjoyed by about 1/4 of the population. More people smoke than watch "Friends." Go try to ban that crap.
You ingest more toxic fumes filling your car with gas.
SERIOUSLY, you non-smoking-nazis sicken me so much, I wish I smoked just so I could annoy you more. Not only that, I'd smoke the unfiltered Camels. Filters are for chicks.
Denis Leary for president.
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Rejection is one thing, but rejection from a fool is cruel!
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*** This post was edited by kpjb 8/10/2003 1:25:56 AM ***
I wondered how long it'd be before someone brought up Dennis Leary. No Cure For Cancer is one of the best ever.
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Jim Fisher said:
The people who are so inconsiderate as to light up in queues in th first place are almost always so inconsiderate as to not respond to a polite request to stop smoking even when they are told that they are blowing smoke in the face of someone with asthma. I speak from experience.
Very aptly put. I would say that most people who light up in q's know it is against the rules...they just don't give a s*** and are going to do it anyway. Confronting such a person could get you physically hurt, and not just by the smoke. Same type of person who would flick a lighted butt out the window while driving, with no concern where it will wind up. Had 'em bounce off my windsheild more than once, and I have heard of them going into people's cars.
That said, the vast majority of smokers are considerate, polite people...it's the small percentage that cause the most problems.
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I'm glad to report people smoking on the midways of Marine World, where smoking is in designated areas only. (3 small parts of the park)
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kpjb said:
Well, if you hit me with your car, just once, you could kill me. I could expose you to second hand smoke consistently for decades before it would have any noticeable affect.Perhaps you should better spend your time trying to do something about icy roads.
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Rejection is one thing, but rejection from a fool is cruel!
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As I have said before, that was a poor analogy. I feel as if my hair spray one (wich ironicaly enough no one has mentioned yet) is a much better one. I'm not a narrow minded person at all either. I feel as if there should be no laws regarding smoking (anything), illegal drugs, killing yourself, sex nor anything else that someone might do. But I do feel as if there needs to be laws regarding all of whats above and how it affects others. By you lighting up next to me, then you are forcing me to second hand smoke, or forcing me to move. Please relize that I'm not saying somking on the midway is bad. If you were smoking, and I walk up next to you, then what right do I have to complain, as I entered your area, its when you enter my area when I have the problem.
Now I have a question for all of you who think that I should move if I have a problem. What would you guys do if I sprayed some hair spray while on the midway, and it blew onto you (just like your second hand smokes does to me). Would you be mad because you breathed it in, and got on your skin and clothes, thus making it smell like fruit (or whatever smell it was of)?
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Closed topic.
